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Jessie Henshaw

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When I had time, some related series of tweets grouped by order color

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News of "the commons" - getting the whole to work is emerging as a new paradigm of sustainability http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/07/the-news-of-the-commons/  Time to VOTE...

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http://lnkd.in/33Feu9  Helene, I think how your said it is great, if you just compact it a bit, and change enables to enable "Enable...

7Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/YJNXm7  Helene - Yes of course, What's most important would be a priority shortlist of coordinated actions. You might...

7 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/_J2b7F  T.A. - Yes, the co-evolution of modern culture and technology has been noticed by lots of people. Technology is...

7 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/hfp25d  Helene - I'm delighted you liked how I've been adding "the commons" to my way of describing how individuals...

6 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Jdv2Sh  T.A. - What I think complicates the meaning we get from food chain cascades is that when Odum or Abel say "that...

6 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/ZNMwah  New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below...

5 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/T4yGbA  New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below...

5 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/u_ZDsE  Chandrashekar - That's a generous offer. It would be wonderful to have an observer's condensation of things. I'd...

5 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/CT4UCF  Peter - I for one largely agree with your view of the problem, that sustainability as a word and way to sell...

5 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/dv9hW9  Thor -As I presented it, my idea that people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business with...

5 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/hC4g7j  Thor -As I presented it, my intent of saying people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business...

5 Jun, 2012

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We got the votes: Needed: Paradigm Shift now on he agenda...http://shar.es/qD8pl  See my comment at the bottom!

5 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Wa72px  Nicolas - There's an interesting dichotomy between thinking of "the commons" as a place and as a way of working...

4 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/wRCZjt  David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is...

4 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/WKdyJK  David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is...

4 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/8rN_Mp  Bob, I guess I see a difference between engineers and scientists, that goes both ways. Scientists are mostly...

3 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/eZQd6b  David - Sure, ideology is a kind of "poison" for communication, as it draws a sharp line between allowed and...

3 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/yvDyQc  David - I think there are probably many ways to define 'the commons' as a word, and other ways to leave it...

3 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Mgmziv  Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e....

3 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/qWReW3  Thorbjoern - The power issues do indeed persist, as you say "any form of self-governance (in which several parties...

3 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/PUXR8P  Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e....

2 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/ctArJR  Bob - Like most of the skeptics about the integrity of science you do seem to think science is like an argument,...

2 Jun, 2012

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#Biomimicry link & support Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy: A new economic paradigm, finally!https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656

2 Jun, 2012

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#RioDialogues: link & support A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge, Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy:https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656

2 Jun, 2012

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@HeleneFinidori ;-)) &link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3

2 Jun, 2012

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@EarthSummit2012 link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3

2 Jun, 2012

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#RioDialogues: link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3

2 Jun, 2012

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@dkorten link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating financial commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3

2 Jun, 2012

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For Rio Dialogues vote on directions for Sustainable Development, like away from competing interests to "the commons" https://www.riodialogues.org/node/240649#comment-29704

1 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/6HZ6KM Helene - great to see the progress and spread of interest in how to make the commons the centerpiece of...

1 Jun, 2012

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@Earthsummit2012 A great omission from most lists of our great omissions... is ending the use of profits for ever multiplying investment.

1 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/eBe96D Bob  - The numbers I've seen for the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere are on the order of 200-300 years, with...

1 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/g5DYjg  Lewis - Isn't redefining the terms of metaphor and expecting it to still be valid is a bit crazy? Better to start...

1 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/iS9rp7   Lewis, That seems accurate as an example of fluctuating weather, but changing climate is an increasing temperature...

31 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/pzWkip  Lewis - Why couldn't we easily monitor the input and output? Just simple satellite measurements seem to do it....

31 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/UhFiAK  Lewis & Bob, Maybe answering Bob's question will address both, asking me: "Does your starting point for global...

30 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/kE9 _2m Lewis - Sorry, I didn't speak that way to be socially confrontational, but intellectually. Your last sentence is...

30 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/4Pvr9n  lewis, Except for your inability to separate fact from fiction I guess, you're actually quite wrong about climate...

29 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/NQzbzb  Lovis - As conceptual argument your approach sounds ideal, but conceptual models are always ideal. The reality...

28 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/vcm5wf  Well, lots of people did. Even JM Keynes predicted the growth system he designed would meet this kind of failure...

28 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/jgCWZ9  There's a strange possibility that might give EU leaders the option to save the Euro now that we see it is clearly...

27 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/pNW3Jp  Mary - You're getting my general way of thinking exactly, to find a working model in nature of the systems...

25 May, 2012

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C-Sections May Lead to Childhood Obesity - The Takeaway:http://bit.ly/KGKHkg  - are the last days of pregnancy chemically important to life?

25 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/4qXgq8  Vladimir - You say "If you imply that it is the scientific method that you rely upon to differentiate what you call...

24 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/P2T8Tr  I'd like anyone to comment on my competition entry for how to transform the economy, or ask questions for...

24 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/3kq4bW  T.A. - You ask "So if we abandon the old ways of chasing 'more efficiency of extraction' and look for alternatives,...

24 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/6du7 As Regarding the growth crisis, my view is a bit on the line of Vladimir's suggestion: "Why defeat an evil empire -...

21 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/g5f_Fk  Vladimir - I guess my approach would be to carefully avoid reliance on deciding what reality is, as so state it as...

21 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/ctb5k3  Mathieu - We certainly need graphic images to help explain ST, from various views, as that quote from Drucker...

20 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/zqJFb5  Mary & T.A. & Ferenc - I think a lot of "mumbojumbo" is coming from the unstudied differences between the thinking...

20 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Cxb-Mw  T.A. - You ask about my saying "Whole system study involves acknowledging that whole individual systems might...

19 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/UeScgv  David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,...

18 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/8Yg6Zx  David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,...

18 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/EraZXE  Vladimir - You say "Given that any efficiency assessment by a person hinges on the assessment of usefulness of all...

18 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/hCtr4a  It occurs to me that one of the things systems thinking may be best for is clearly defining problems that are quite...

17 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/gN8xZ4  T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks...

16 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/6xaSvR  T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks...

16 May, 2012

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Adopt natural system principles to keep economies profitable at their limits | Management Innovation eXchange http://shar.es/2R12T

15 May, 2012

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@UNEP_FI You should like my proposal to transform capitalism, by investment funds becoming endowments for the earth.http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/05/10/natural-principles-to-stay-profitable-at-limits/

14 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/jA7y_3  Mary - Capra's approach aims at bringing the economy to a stable climax as my approach also does, as necessary for...

14 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/QQXSQB  David - No I'm not familiar with "ecological rationality" as a modeling concept. My usual method is to look at my...

13 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/KThUSc  Lewis - Well, if you make a static model with liquid parts, that answers how to get it to flow, but does that loose...

13 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/tSjgvY  I'm mystified why the biomimicry people seem as averse to "whole problem" kinds of systems thinking as the...

13 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/v-FAVZ  Gene - what about ST as a continual partnership with nature, though, where the observer uses their models, not...

13 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/aqM6pV  Gene - for my two cents, I'd like the general framework of discussion to include ST as including ways of getting...

13 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/aTVB7y  David - The simplest "in a nut shell" description of my proposal is : "We should manage the world economy like...

13 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/SV7YBi  William - I'm delighted you like my site! My approach is usually thought of as a little esoteric, I think. I...

13 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/KakYRx  Tim - Examples of natural systems that develop by an explosion of energy use and new organization include 1)...

13 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/5CeWkE  I honestly think the evidence is very clear that the high expectations of Rio, whether people reach an inspired...

12 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/_YP5kD  Lewis - I'm glad you liked my way of describing system boundaries as "skin", to be used as something you can feel...

12 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/vtd7fb  Lewis - You say "solving mathematical problems in physics is at the heart and history of all definitions of ST that...

12 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/2FHjkC  Lewis - I'd certainly agree that there are systems that behave according to chaotic coupling principles. I would...

12 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/REbN_q  Jack - You define a,b & c as: "Any system manifests in up to three ways. a) as concept in a human mind, also...

11 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/PvuG_z  Lewis - you say "I agree that hierarchical patterns are easier to use, and not the perfect way to go, but until we...

11 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/2jZPhv  Gene - That nice video you linked,...

11 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/JUEEUN  Barry... I think my way of solving it should work for you. Yes there is no way of determining "objective reality",...

11 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/T4V57A  Barry, Rob Couldn't we do it BOTH ways, and in discussion switch back and forth between what you call a "construct...

11 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/7GK8ZJ  Jack - You recommend OpEMCSS (CAS) software for modeling and animating context-sensitive systems....

11 May, 2012

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It makes sustainability unsustainable, to not see money as co-constrained by physical goods and services, much the same limits!

11 May, 2012

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I'm going to "Green Breakfast Club Sponsorship Levels"! Who's joining? http://www.amiando.com/vi/LOGWNJL  via @amiando

11 May, 2012

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"Green Breakfast Club" great resource for starting or advanced new green business ideas http://www.greenbreakfastclub.com/

11 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/2viEze  Lewis & all - I think we need a way of being clear about the difference between ST as the study of models and as...

10 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/p69Zm6  all - David's mention of his submission to the Long Term Capitalism Challenge offered by Harvard Business Review,...

10 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/XUSghn  Darius and Peter - You ask how to know what boundary identifies a system. There are different ways for doing it...

9 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/fmBVDK  Geoff - You seem to be a good person to ask given your range of studies. Have studied systems as individual units...

9 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/hbcMiZ  Lewis - Your suggestion that I imitate Mandelbrot in co-authoring papers with others more familiar with particular...

9 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/t9KgZn  You know, the thing I've always found funny about chaos theory, is the premise that a world full of changing...

9 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/C8vQz6  Jack - It's kind of curious that even the extension of Maslow is just for bringing others to work on themselves,...

7 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/3gvPkq  Barry - I hear your complaint about abstract models of systems not necessarily being useful for real problems. I...

7 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/wkwJxa  David Hawk - Where I picked up Gunnar Hedlund's thinking was by being part of a group of friends in SGSR in the mid...

7 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Cn_eFv  Jack, I like what I see in the approaches of Schön, Novak & Wymore. Thanks. Wymore seems to be associated with...

6 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/b-q3te  David - I'd agree that having a focus on system memory in CES is an important distinction. Some of the effect of...

5 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/QkswEu  David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action...

4 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/W95xPZ  David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action...

4 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/98R6th  Jack, Thanks for the links. I am surprised I didn't first recognize Warfield on the list, of course, but glad to...

4 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/AY6qS9  Gene - That's a good question, to ask: "while I get the sense of a loop I wonder why they talk about it being in a...

4 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/_Y6wrR  Jack - I'd like it if there was a common syntax for ST too. I gather that is what you're saying by asking "How...

4 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/cPzF8h  One problem with "Going Solid" that really must be looked at, is a kind of pernicious environmental problem. It's...

3 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/VCHA6P  What about interpreting the difference between systems dynamics and systems thinking as, SD being the study of...

3 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/4k55cZ  Lewis - I'm backlogged, but from your latest post I think these are quoteable! "the need to think of it...

3 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/ZuK7h7  Helene - Bonnita and you both seem to speak of your own observations on naturally occurring creative processes. To...

2 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/bbn9B4  Jack - You asked: "Re:"...but also of differences between those and what *model* systems are able to faithfully...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/gYVerV  Ferenc - You say "we are all led in the forst with no compass at all, no sun out, no way to get out of the maze....

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/VE7-qZ  Helene, I did, but then realized that my view, that contrasts with the popular one, would not be possible to...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/4kqtji  Gene & David, David said "that being the case and since I absolutely don't want the article to be a representative...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Na2BwY  Lewis - There's a catch I find in saying "the inherent process is quantum based". The catch I see that QM was...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/JycK76  Lewis - I'd agree, that synthetic systems seem to only exist in virtual reality. What tells me that is importantly...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/hJm4mg  Jessie Henshaw o Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/mk7vr5  Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other systems on their...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/T4gGdr  Jessie Henshaw o Jack - [note edit] I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/rdwHHf Jack - I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a problem of differences between...

1 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Nsih4u What about the indefinable, but often evident, difference between natural physical relationships between things and...

30 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/eSfj82 Gene David - [note edits] I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems...

30 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/wryiCV George Your ask "Is systems thinking almost a massage?" I'd say a lot of massaging seems to go on in human...

30 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/sV5PgV Gene David - I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems thinking is...

30 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Rrb_Wv Gene Peter - Yes, that is a very nice way to break it down, and come to the question "AND so what's the answer?"....

30 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/qxiZqe Ferenc - So I would agree and simplify it a bit, saying that we have a familiar syntax for language that we learned...

30 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/vf2ufA Ferenc - My last post responding to David says more about "self-defining" as a property of objects of nature, as...

29 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/xbQJFx David - I think of "system boundaries" in two ways. One is the "physical boundary" of a system. It's...

29 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/sZZdHr David - I keep trying to point directly to what I see as the "failures of foresight" that justify your "sense the...

29 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/DgNVaE David - What I described as a systemic problem, apparent in the tragedy at the Somerset Dam, does generally fit...

28 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/XSn8K3 Ferenc - I think in saying "In principle all search is a waste and is needed beacseu of a total disorderly state of...

28 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/-hCkXk T.A. - you may be right about Aristotle advancing case based learning, which would show a more practical bent than...

28 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/y7g2hf David - You certainly have a point about criticizing Aristotle, as his language and issues were so different that...

28 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/MwsMAJ Well... there's a simply tremendous amount of knowledge represented by the gaps in one's knowledge. It takes a...

28 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/vM6Ytr Ferenc - Well, the most common words that connect to nature are words that are defined by the self-defining object...

28 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/y8rQP3 David - In looking for books on Total Systems Intervention I found Robert L. Flood's books, and that he teaches at...

28 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/EdCjxq Darius - I was talking about behavioral knowledge, how we use highly sophisticated primitive emotional calculus for...

27 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/4YFN8q There seem to be a lot of off topic posts. Should this page be used to discuss need for transforming our use of...

27 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/z3r6pG Ferenc - Yes, there is a "great clutter" of purported forms of knowledge "knowledge representations basically...

27 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/fNf3mf Darius - You say "To find the common ground we have to go back in time to pre-human times. So far there has been a...

27 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/2b6F7z Ferenc - You seem to think of "search" as "random". That is indeed a big waste of energy for the results you get,...

27 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/GYheYQ David - I haven't had a chance yet to study Burns' work, but I would quite strongly agree with the need to...

27 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Vw3YDr T.A. David - It seems Aristotle's use of "Phronesis, or practical wisdom, he contrasted with episteme (conceptual...

27 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/KSGRgq David You say "I would argue that an ecological narrative is much better. It shows how organisms start as members...

26 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/aXYCDZ Kamran - You say having different schools of systems thinking, with different perspectives, could be constructive,...

26 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/RD7_2B Jack - You asked "pls tell me the relatonship between your right foot and the concept, system, and I may be able to...

26 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Wbhg5k karthikeyan and Lewis, What about using the natural language term "invasive" for describing systems that grow at...

26 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/y-qb3H Ferenc - I think what Helene and I are trying to do is offer a way to talk to people who usually think of their own...

26 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/vyMEtu Lewis - I think you're unusual in conceptualizing science as what it should be, using models to help us discuss the...

26 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/pgcvxp I'm surprised the difference between models, as sets of abstract of rules for numbers, and self-organizing physical...

26 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/hMavhb Helene, I just noticed your comment three days ago about systems having an inside and appearing as a sphere from...

26 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/sVYyqX Well, if models are so capable of representing open systems in nature, how come we have a world economic system...

25 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/BKq3TV Jack - So, when you say "it might be useful to remember that 'natural' systems are only human models of what's...

25 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/f7ffr9 Gene, One big thing models seem unable to do is duplicate the flowing "everywhere at once" process of continual...

25 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/VwBswf David - I don't understand the methods you refer to as well as some, but have done a lot of research on how to...

25 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/AgXYNk Helene, The more direct reason I seem to be on a campaign against efficiency is really for another reason than it...

25 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/mBFTtr To have much meaning, doesn't a "systems model" need to refer to, as by exemplifying, some individual or group of...

24 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Qdnqsn Joe S. - I don't think you quite get my premise. I'm not saying that there is only one correct understanding of...

24 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/CSwcSy Over the years I've started looking more at the common omissions of the "great" thinkers, and finding that quite...

24 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/ApCwwS Well, for "root causes" I first look at two things, if I can trace the issue back to some origin, and then...

24 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/vFCT7z Lewis, it has always seemed to me that the easiest definitive way to state the length of a piece of string is 100%.

24 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/c-g5pr Well... Blodget does overlook that for our present circumstance Keynes actually would have called for something...

24 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/GuxYJ2 Sometimes considering both the "inside view" and the "outside view" of the same thing helps expose important...

24 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/7PaB9t John K., I'd agree that "growth is an emotive word" in how most people use it. In particular people often don't...

23 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/C563a8 Ferenc - You said to Helene, "Therefore I see humanity as the disease, but as we are successulf as parasites and...

23 Apr, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/w-r-Pp John K. - You say to Farenc "start with better questions" . I think that also requires starting with better...

23 Apr, 2012

1190

http://lnkd.in/gVrems William - Thanks so much for the support!! Still, that there might be "fundamental differences between how models...

22 Apr, 2012

1189

http://lnkd.in/9BfV8x John K. - You ask, "what are you going to monitor them with x or gamma rays?". I gather you're referring to...

22 Apr, 2012

1188

http://lnkd.in/MnMheG Helene - Yes, I do have a particular method behind what you liked, saying: "I like your idea of closely watching...

22 Apr, 2012

1187

http://lnkd.in/pWTtvs T.A. I like your quote from Sterman but question whether he quite read it himself sometimes! I've had a few...

21 Apr, 2012

1186

http://lnkd.in/MGh-pd Lewis, From what I understand about chaos theory it's about probabilities in a conceptual phase space, rather than...

20 Apr, 2012

1185

http://lnkd.in/PCmmFV John K. - Right, some models are miraculously accurate in predicting natural phenomena, but prediction still isn't...

20 Apr, 2012

1184

Like... is thinking it's OK to do evil to others so long as we profit ourselves a mark left by our domestication as slaves in ancient past?

20 Apr, 2012

1183

America would be great, if people weren't so totally misinformed. Our culture just doesn't teach us to learn by observation, just hearsay!

20 Apr, 2012

1182

http://lnkd.in/By2YG9 John K. - Why do you think systems in nature work by models? Clearly WE generally think of systems *as our...

19 Apr, 2012

1181

http://lnkd.in/U7WY8w Peter - I wish I knew how to respond more briefly, but you pose such interesting questions! I think the problem...

19 Apr, 2012

1180

http://lnkd.in/2h98U5 John - but.. is there any evidence that nature actually works by models, or is it just specially evolved...

19 Apr, 2012

1179

http://lnkd.in/zxqKnT John & Lewis - One of the added handicaps for computation as a model of nature is the natural lack of data for...

19 Apr, 2012

1178

http://lnkd.in/-qqpGt lewis The engaging question is on this thread, is the UN call for revolutionary thinking, to find an economic...

19 Apr, 2012

1177

http://lnkd.in/e4FC-w lewis Right, one of the more easily noticed differences between equations and nature is nature shows constantly...

18 Apr, 2012

1176

http://lnkd.in/uB4AYY Thorbjoern Sorry if I mixed up your view and that of the book you were reviewing... Oops! I think the moral...

18 Apr, 2012

1175

http://lnkd.in/PPg8c9 Lewis C. If what you're saying is that one's math is only as good as the question about the real world you're...

17 Apr, 2012

1174

http://lnkd.in/wqMg49 TA - For development processes you can physically change the sign of a growth rate with little physical strain,...

17 Apr, 2012

1173

http://lnkd.in/CxrWQ8 Thorbjoern You say the study consisted of "several runs based on different constellations of policy assumptions...

17 Apr, 2012

1172

http://lnkd.in/vbP-id T.A. Balasubraminian - I do like Bardi's take on it. My report on the 40th anniversary meeting (in DC on Mar 1)...

17 Apr, 2012

1171

http://lnkd.in/g38Abu Gene B - What Kuhn actually said was that learning of new paradigms occurs by new generations replacing old, rather...

17 Apr, 2012

1170

http://lnkd.in/TqRirv Peter B - Your concluding remark helps detail my view of co-existent "ways of thinking", saying: "Each approach, or...

17 Apr, 2012

1169

http://lnkd.in/w-zAb7 Barry L - But if you look at it objectively, your statement could be a candidate for the kind of socially defined...

17 Apr, 2012

1168

http://lnkd.in/3MtuTb Lewis not sure what your reference is when saying "nothing could be further from the truth" directly following my...

16 Apr, 2012

1167

http://lnkd.in/myBpm7 Gene, I proposed a systemic perspective in my above comment, that of a changing natural world with human society...

16 Apr, 2012

1166

http://lnkd.in/P3ctSN John, But we still live on the same planet, even if we see different realities. I think you realize what I'm...

16 Apr, 2012

1165

http://lnkd.in/Erq6aB To me "transcending paradigms" means somehow finding a way to violate T.S. Kuhn's observation that scientists just...

16 Apr, 2012

1164

http://lnkd.in/zed8uK Well, I understand economics too. I'm proposing that because of how we changed the planet it would be more...

16 Apr, 2012

1163

http://lnkd.in/p3yAJ7 Perhaps the "revolutionary thinking" needed would be a finite investment plan for society, rather than an ever...

16 Apr, 2012

1162

http://lnkd.in/VFfchS So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I...

16 Apr, 2012

1161

http://lnkd.in/fEZNaW So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I...

16 Apr, 2012

1160

http://lnkd.in/F3gRss Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me....

16 Apr, 2012

1159

@adolfzizek Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me.http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~jakulin/

16 Apr, 2012

1158

http://lnkd.in/G3KsEZ Well, a model help keep you from having to start from scratch all the time, like a template of good questions to...

15 Apr, 2012

1157

http://lnkd.in/yyegtY Really great that you see that. It leaves me at the perennial impasse, though, stuck in a scientific all but...

15 Apr, 2012

1156

http://lnkd.in/F_k3Jg More accurately, I studying the kinds of important things nature's systems do physically, that models (and model...

15 Apr, 2012

1155

http://lnkd.in/tishat Thanks. That's further than the great majority of theorists will go in recognizing the natural limits of theory....

15 Apr, 2012

1154

http://lnkd.in/DYreTh I'm just asking how you connect your conceptual models of relationships to the real ones in our world. I know Bohr...

13 Apr, 2012

1153

http://lnkd.in/r6GX62 Well, yes, sure. That defines your study as being one of models, and not one of the subjects of interest in...

13 Apr, 2012

1152

http://lnkd.in/fKMmDS That is... until you try to make it a mapping between a model and some subject of interest in the natural world,...

13 Apr, 2012

1151

@giyom It's in how savings are not used unless putting money in to take more out is promised, net returns vary but that drives the whole.

10 Apr, 2012

1150

Getting bigger ever faster... still the gold standard sustainability plan for post modern business, what the public wants...!

 9 Apr, 2012

1149

@Adbusters - A new model of living sure to survive & enrich more than most is being a boundary spanning link between many social networks.

9 Apr, 2012

1148

Truly smashing Ausi records. In one place, the LOW recorded on day was higher than the existing RECORD HIGH for March!http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1057&message=41007115

8 Apr, 2012

1147

What to regulate and what not... an endless question.http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558748_10150658804081275_177486166274_9728204_1140150600_n.jpg

8 Apr, 2012

1146

Trees are at least a renewable resource... Computers may not be. A dependence on ever more efficient depletion of non-renewables has an end.

1 Apr, 2012

1145

Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6bc2a

1 Apr, 2012

1144

Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6b030

1 Apr, 2012

1143

Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/HbHwDF

1 Apr, 2012

1142

Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H5A4Hs

1 Apr, 2012

1141

@Revkin @malekanoms - What's usually missing when people see one curve causing another is why the environment might do that now & not before

30 Mar, 2012

1140

http://lnkd.in/YidQZy There's a problem with the data collecting strategies for complex system models. None seem able to crack the...

26 Mar, 2012

1139

http://lnkd.in/Bk63qq Simple examples of self-organization like those really help. The common habit of explaining everything with...

25 Mar, 2012

1138

http://lnkd.in/kgTqxm To complement that, one should also be aware of important modeling issues not often discussed in the math texts...

23 Mar, 2012

1137

Commented on Going for Brokered? - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/xFfLWo

18 Mar, 2012

1136

Those flurries of disruptions that seem to come from nowhere? All come from needing to rely on unreliable things we never needed to before.

13 Mar, 2012

1135

Somehow people don't get it, that its the cosmos that is on fire, and humans minds just dreaming, *not the reverse*.

13 Mar, 2012

1134

"No tomorrow"... a new high standard in "peak everything" films.http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theres-no-tomorrow/

13 Mar, 2012

1133

@rupertposner ..Perhaps not including all the out sourced energy used to make renewable energy and deliver out sourced goods and services..

13 Mar, 2012

1132

@Grist ...more secrets on shale gas and escalating energy price volatility http://grist.org/natural-gas/natural-born-drillers-why-shale-gas-wont-end-our-energy-woes/

12 Mar, 2012

1131

http://lnkd.in/BahcqD There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a...

9 Mar, 2012

1130

http://lnkd.in/tqX-_3 There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a...

9 Mar, 2012

1129

math intuitive thinkers can feel, and imagery mathematical thinkers can reason http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/03/08/with-endless-exploding-energy/

9 Mar, 2012

1128

@growthbusters Grantham points to resource loss to trump Buffet's denial, but wrong idea of how investors guide change.http://www.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInvestMoment-PH.pdf

2 Mar, 2012

1127

http://lnkd.in/cM25BY Dave and Domenico, As a senior architect I've found the creative challenge is discovering what the particular piece...

28 Feb, 2012

1126

http://lnkd.in/am-ZNr Yes, early insights are often lost. But moral logic aside, does any amount of "sympathy" or "empathy" remove the...

28 Feb, 2012

1125

Ethical Analysis of Disinformation Tactics: Reckless Disregard, Focus On Unknowns, Specious Claims, Front Groups. http://j.mp/ysuXtB

27 Feb, 2012

1124

Ethical Analysis of the Climate Change Disinformation Campaign: Introduction to A Series. http://j.mp/zZXagm

27 Feb, 2012

1123

http://lnkd.in/d4BEjB Well, the biggest hazard is making blind choices based on your theory, whatever it is, rather than choosing to be...

27 Feb, 2012

1122

http://lnkd.in/XHGNXm One of the troubles with innovation for finding new solutions for ones that have stopped working is how that...

26 Feb, 2012

1121

http://lnkd.in/D8dqdW Why people see growth as a magical process, as if only depending on blessings of some god or a sacred manifest or...

22 Feb, 2012

 

End of long series of Tweeted principles for observing and responding to systems of nature

 

1211

lnkd.in/D8dqdW Why people see growth as a magical process, as if only depending on blessings of some god or a sacred manifest or...

22 Feb 2012

 

1210

and... so, I think *that seems to solve everything*!

21 Feb 2012

1209

@Ethical_Corp @CapInstitute @postgrowth @shareabledesign The message is.. unethical profits multiply unethical influence, and we're silent.

21 Feb 2012

1208

We"aid" the banks, no message attached, who just use it to take ever more, multiplying our risks and their influence again. The message is?

21 Feb 2012

1207

@postgrowth @shareabledesign Ever wonder why profitable unethical behavior gains ever growing influence, and that of self-restraint doesn't?
 In reply to PostGrowth Institute

21 Feb 2012

1206

@postgrowth @beyondGreenUK Some day we'll find, prospering by taking control of ever more of everything else, is what others are doing too.
 In reply to PostGrowth Institute

20 Feb 2012

1205

lnkd.in/p_d9Am From reading the methodology it seems Tweets were linked by referring to links with the NY Times. That's possibly...

20 Feb 2012

1204

lnkd.in/vyTBX5 That graphic is great, and will help popularize this approach. It was originated by Barabasi, who I'm sure gets...

20 Feb 2012

1203

When investors just skim profits to multiply good bets, they're not investing in anything, but picking the pockets of a compliant world.

20 Feb 2012

1202

True investors don't take the world's profits to multiply their own, but spend their returns to support, not tax, what they care about.

20 Feb 2012

1201

It's confusing at first but then helps, how all "rules of life" and "laws of science" are made local, to the system of nature they're in.

20 Feb 2012

1200

Building things up is a solution till you get to where they fall over, when reality becomes as unstable as our information often is anyway.

20 Feb 2012

1199

@donmacca If it's not a lack of hard work, but increasing resistance from the earth, it's the greedy needing "Om" to find peace another way.
 In reply to Donnie Maclurcan

20 Feb 2012

1198

It's NOT a lack of hard work, by anyone. It's *increasing resistance* from the earth. More hard work doesn't solve, just makes worse.

20 Feb 2012

1197

So, is that how this works, everyone gets to live their own fantasy life while our world dies? Society is clearly fiddling while Rome burns.

19 Feb 2012

1196

What America truly wants is "Clean horsepower, that burns up the road". Is that scale of detachment the scale of loss ahead, 80% or so??

19 Feb 2012

1195

If we don't use our creativity to reinvent the idea of profit, it's as certain as gravity that what we've been building won't survive.

19 Feb 2012

1194

What nature actually likes is not our social values, but a growing process of building things that turns to preserving what was built.

19 Feb 2012

1193

That investor choice, to preserve the whole rather than enrich themselves, actually ends up being more profitable, why nature likes it.

19 Feb 2012

1192

Where growth doesn't end in tragedy it's using profit to look for growing profit that turns to preserving the whole, an investor choice.

19 Feb 2012

1191

On any planet, for any species, searching for profit that multiplies profit brings wealth to all with a high risk of impoverishing all.

19 Feb 2012

1190

@ecomagination The best way to waste good ideas is to multiply them till your environment fails. - mankind's most ancient misconception -
 In reply to ecomagination

19 Feb 2012

1189

@giyom Of course, growth to a tragic end isn't from all bets remaining positive, but people finding positive bets to multiply till all fail.
 In reply to Guillaume Lebleu

19 Feb 2012

1188

Exactly how we bet on the earth being infinite is investing for ever growing profits, a formula for cancers that ends in killing their host.

18 Feb 2012

1187

@Revkin The one tsunami the #AAASmtg doesn't explore, though, is our own ever growing wave of investment in the earth being infinite.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

18 Feb 2012

1186

@giyom What seems to break any trusted currency is giving people what they want, a guarantee of sure bets so their savings can multiply.
 In reply to Guillaume Lebleu

18 Feb 2012

1185

@thinkprogress Yes, stimulus worked again to restore our growing depletion of the earth, a 10,000 year track record of great success!! ;-)
 In reply to ThinkProgress

18 Feb 2012

1184

It's harder to find out what it is that allows our whole society to so peacefully sleep through our exhaustion of the earth.

18 Feb 2012

1183

Tragic, but it's being "innovative" that has us sustaining our increasing rate of resource depletion, thinking we're creating resources...

18 Feb 2012

1182

@nelderini @postcarbon What's new on "peak everything" is why the economy hits it as a whole, with internal conflict.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…
 In reply to Chris Nelder

18 Feb 2012

1181

The Greeks made mistakes but are being screwed, too. All lose bigger if bond holders don't spend their profits instead of taking ever more.

18 Feb 2012

1180

@thinkprogress Why investors were taxed less than labor was that multiplying investment in consuming the planet once seemed very productive.
 In reply to ThinkProgress

18 Feb 2012

1179

What to do if you just don't want to support the "plant your seed to multiply seed till our host dies" lifestyle, we use for prosperity?

18 Feb 2012

1178

@thetakeaway Why is it the Catholic church saying it can impose it's religious law, as if Sharia, on its employees? Are they confused?

17 Feb 2012

1177

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Yes, exactly. The motive for "big money" is how profit taking to take more is itself becoming unprofitable.
 In reply to Helene Finidori

17 Feb 2012

1176

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Most investors confuse it as taking profits from one thing, to then take ever more from something else...!

17 Feb 2012

1175

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To be viable, everything needs to make a profit, but not to multiply, and so stress any environment.

17 Feb 2012

1174

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To correct the scaling errors of capitalism, profits aren't used to grow profits, if the earth is stressed.

17 Feb 2012

1173

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute .. I think to "scale it up" as you want, you'd add to it what corrects the scaling errors of capitalism.

17 Feb 2012

1172

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute The rub is "how can this be scaled?" is what capitalism solves, with ever scaling benefits now the problem.
 In reply to Helene Finidori

17 Feb 2012

1171

Isn't it odd, how "the thing in our heads" creates a whole world of its own, not seeing the inside of ANYTHING else on earth to do it? :-)

17 Feb 2012

1170

@Revkin Our thinking STILL counts "no direct evidence" as "no evidence", though clear untraced effects are ENORMOUS.synapse9.com/SEA
 In reply to Andy Revkin

17 Feb 2012

1169

@InvasiveNotes ...And the "invasive species" to watch is "us". SO struck by the realities we observe, caring ONLY about our beliefs.
 In reply to John Peter Thompson

17 Feb 2012

1168

Anyone can see our mental reality isn't nature's, but telling how when we act on our thinking but BUT DON'T EVEN WATCH NATURE'S, is SO hard!

17 Feb 2012

1167

We seek SUCH valid dreams with SUCH invalid methods, SEEING reality but, but then CONFUSING it with magical ideas in our heads, WHEN ACTING.

17 Feb 2012

1166

So much good to do, harm to correct, friendship and learning to enjoy, but we consume everything useful on earth ever faster, to serve it???

17 Feb 2012

1165

Isn't it strange?? China is furiously trying to "CATCH UP" by rapidly building out a whole economy of quite outmoded high energy technology!

16 Feb 2012

1164

It *seems* that natural systems created by their own growth have no internal design or behavior, but *it's only quite hidden* from our view,

16 Feb 2012

1163

A GLIMMER OF HOPE when even big scientific journals start to talk about reality; how changing the earth changes us.ourfiniteworld.com/2012/02/12/thr…

16 Feb 2012

1162

What goes wrong when growth ends before its limits ?synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

16 Feb 2012

1161

Words let you say *such big things*, knowing nothing about them. The older and larger language of life is in "doing", 99.9% lost to words.

16 Feb 2012

1160

Gender is also one of those subjects important to an information society, about which there is still much more to "do than say" reality.

16 Feb 2012

1159

Part of how self-managing systems work inside, is to respond naturally as their plan for growth becomes unmanageable, to stop following it.

15 Feb 2012

1158

How the design we chose for our economy is like a cancer is in it's design to grow as fast as possible till it kills its host, and itself.

15 Feb 2012

1157

Having essentially no information on how the self-managing systems of nature work, we inadvertently designed our economy like a cancer.

15 Feb 2012

1156

The real error is thinking our information tells us how the world works, *entirely missing* how self-managing systems are organized inside.

15 Feb 2012

1155

My having SO much fun finding the errors letting us destroy the earth, doesn't make up for the isolation of having to watch it happen.

15 Feb 2012

1154

Could technology be an ever entertaining game of learning about the planet instead of like now, an ever entertaining game of burning it up?

15 Feb 2012

1153

@Revkin The "reality math" of #KXL CO2 reveals one of many, all showing outsourced energy impacts ~x4 what's measured.synapse9.com/SEA
 In reply to Andy Revkin

14 Feb 2012

1152

lnkd.in/s6QEVF Well, it presses the credulity of intellectuals more than informal thinkers. There's a very interesting property...

14 Feb 2012

1151

@Ethical_Corp It's a BIG ethical challenge is resist addressing traceable harms and neglect growing ones that aren't.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…
 In reply to Ethical Corporation

14 Feb 2012

1150

lnkd.in/EdfiBB Would you like a real discussion of how and why our economies became designed for a different kind of planet than...

14 Feb 2012

1149

@Revkin If nature listened to our values, we'd have a different world. There's no way she can speed things up for us to slow them down tho.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

13 Feb 2012

1148

@Revkin Maybe my problem is most everyone speaks as if nature is a social phenomenon, as if "nature is listening" and all we need is belief.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

13 Feb 2012

1147

@Revkin You don't see the "green faith" in speeding up the economy to slow its growing impacts as "lost opportunity"?synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl…
 In reply to Andy Revkin

13 Feb 2012

1146

@ClimateReality Check the 4x "reality math" for facts. True CO2 footprints need all the outsourced fuel uses too.synapse9.com/signals
 In reply to Climate Reality

13 Feb 2012

1145

Expecting growth in a shrinking world makes sense only to the senseless. It asks nature, "Oh could we please have ever growing conflict?"

13 Feb 2012

1144

@johnmsmart Found 2008 blog post, of letter to you with no address - Multilevel selection in evolution – Devo-evo?synapse9.com/signals/2008/1…

13 Feb 2012

1143

All it causes... is *missing so much* of what's happening, saving the earth then positively accelerates our failures.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

13 Feb 2012

1142

"Who would care" if there was a perfectly practical way to do it, from observing natural successions, and that theory is all in our heads.

13 Feb 2012

1141

Just not studying how real processes emerge seems *so much simpler*. Our mental models are too simplistic and missing most of the data too!

13 Feb 2012

1140

"Scientists unconcerned" by real systems too hidden to record and too evolving to model "Sure we see them, but just study theory instead"

13 Feb 2012

1139

One proof is in how OUR systems work, guided by self-interest, misled into destroying the earth, believing nature follows our theories.

12 Feb 2012

1138

SO MUCH IS HIDDEN inside systems that work by themselves, it's unscientific to treat nature as working by our theories.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

12 Feb 2012

1137

@InvasiveNotes @CBSNews Well... in that odd sense, that terrorism is really intended as "people power" and we usually don't like the people.
 In reply to John Peter Thompson

12 Feb 2012

1136

The "reality math" says the ONLY way these big financial bailouts actually work, is for bond holders to then SPEND their restored profits.

12 Feb 2012

1135

But if all around you are people who believe the world is a creation of their own consciousness, don't you have to just agree with them?

12 Feb 2012

1134

With every business needing ever growing shares of the earth, I guess we now all agree, the ultimate good &evil are one and the same thing.

12 Feb 2012

1133

@newscientist Ohi! The blame game goes in circles. Why the Earth Summit is doomed is because of us, expecting gov & biz to stabilize growth.

11 Feb 2012

1132

@Revkin Yea, why did we not design more secure software? Is it not possible, or just not imaginable for whole nations to be so dishonest!
 In reply to Andy Revkin

11 Feb 2012

1131

Still confused. Why does "religious freedom" relieve religious employers of the need to protect the religious freedom of their employees?

11 Feb 2012

1130

Isn't it odd, our world choice of ever bigger and more complex solutions for still faster growing problems as our path to peace & security?

11 Feb 2012

1129

Even today, 2012, a hundred years late, almost no one sees why the earth wouldn't as infinite as ideas, with our options visibly vanishing.

11 Feb 2012

1128

@Revkin - The rub.. is productivity has been exhausting resources faster than new productivity creates them, driving a loss of opportunity.

11 Feb 2012

1127

@Revkin Well, Andy, You sound so ignorant to dismiss both #KXLand why nature dismisses politics; our ever growing need for using things up.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

11 Feb 2012

1126

@AAASMeetings Could “reality math” help the AAAS?? #AAASmtgsynapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

11 Feb 2012

1125

Why does "reality math" matter?? People see their information as their reality. This math corrects our misinformation on the impacts of $'s.

11 Feb 2012

1124

@InvasiveNotes Do you count the "reality math", of ~8000btu/$ ??synapse9.com/SEA
 In reply to John Peter Thompson

11 Feb 2012

1123

The "reality math" is: "Average" impacts per $ is far more accurate than "0". synapse9.com/SEA So unreported impacts get counted.

11 Feb 2012

1122

The "reality math" is embarrassing, OK, like exposing the Maldives' growing a high carbon economy, but WHAT deserves the embarrassment here?

11 Feb 2012

1121

Avoiding "reality math", REALLY doesn't promote sustainability. All money has much closer to average impacts than zero.synapse9.com/SEA

11 Feb 2012

1120

"Finding reality" takes two ways to explain things 1) for a reality in our minds we invent and 2) another for things nature invents, not us.

10 Feb 2012

1119

Piling up money till it collapses is piling up the future we're building till it collapses too. If "just numbers", it wouldn't collapse.

10 Feb 2012

1118

We could back off a bit, to see "piling up our dreams till they collapse" as "piling up our dreams till they collapse". It's only reality.

10 Feb 2012

1117

The solutions for saving the environment have given us multiplying problems to address, somehow. Is it our dodging the real questions?

10 Feb 2012

1116

A great thing about sacred beliefs, is how unquestionable they become. Would doubting our beliefs then, give us much more reliable ones??

10 Feb 2012

1115

so are we distracted from seeing "piling up stuff till it collapses" as "piling up stuff till it collapses", by "thinking with no thinking"?

9 Feb 2012

1114

@Adbusters Well, the violence of choice is "language violence", so enthralling even those you're attacking can't stop passing it around.
 In reply to Adbusters Magazine

9 Feb 2012

1113

lnkd.in/h8cs9b Yes I'd generally agree, though one's choice of pejoratives is generally a kind of personal thing. Our two "main...

9 Feb 2012

1112

You can see a fragility of birth in "the wilting of the Arab Spring", not following freedom with a period of calm, for making things work.

9 Feb 2012

1111

The fragility of birth, to cut all ties with your prior source of life, while still weak, is very dangerous, and even more dangerous not to.

9 Feb 2012

1110

Our growth guidance system, as a feeble shoot, still defines using up its seed resource faster as more profitable than putting down roots.

9 Feb 2012

1109

A seedling is most vulnerable as a feeble shoot, at its limits of growth using the seed's fossil fuel, before it has taken root. Us too.

9 Feb 2012

1108

lnkd.in/EAVA7h Clif, Well, the first thing seems for "mankind to see what game it's playing", before it can tell how we’re playing...

8 Feb 2012

1107

#enoughwhat A benefit of recognizing your own limits is the freedom and security you get from not losing control of events that matter more.

8 Feb 2012

1106

#enoughwhat Enough with thinking money has no impacts, though it's plain we use it to request physical services, and we just don't see how!

8 Feb 2012

1105

#enoughwhat Enough of thinking that on a shrinking planet, taking more and more for yourself doesn't rob someone else.

8 Feb 2012

1104

#enoughwhat Enough thinking we "know it all" just because how nature organizes things leaves most observers utterly "out of the loop".

8 Feb 2012

1103

#enoughwhat Enough thinking our globally shrinking resources are "unknown" and so maybe infinite... even as their prices go ever upward..

8 Feb 2012

1102

@echoinggreen Our information is like "Swiss cheese" as market and natural systems leave observers "out of the loop".synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

8 Feb 2012

1101

@echoinggreen #infographics for why our information on how nature works is SO full of holes. synapse9.com/issues/images/… fromsynapse9.com/signals/2012/0…
 In reply to Echoing Green

8 Feb 2012

1100

lnkd.in/gXqBAx I don't know if I can jump directly from the reasoning above, but definitely agree in principle. One difficulty...

8 Feb 2012

1099

lnkd.in/WgenAP I don't know if I can directly use the reasoning here. I agree in principle, but note things like that the natural...

8 Feb 2012

1098

lnkd.in/3mfVmh But... as the saying goes, "there's no profit in it". These kind of dreamy schemes don't offer anything for the...

6 Feb 2012

1097

@Revkin ...but we're not going to sway public opinion if reducing CO2 for a financially strapped world competes for resources with growth.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

6 Feb 2012

1096

@thinkprogress - But is that "real" progress, ...still be skirting how the rich can keep *multiplying* their earnings while wages now won't?
 In reply to ThinkProgress

6 Feb 2012

1095

So, what keeps us from ending our own explosive growth is 1) not knowing unknown supplies are finite and 2) how to turn off a growth system.

6 Feb 2012

1094

How resource prices are rising indicates we crossed a natural limit of profitably using their decreasing quality.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…

6 Feb 2012

1093

Maximizing our resource use efficiency we DOUBLE OUR RESOURCE NEED, and consume as much as in all of economic history, about every 40 years.

6 Feb 2012

1092

Look at the our culture, what still sells is advertising a never ending consumption spree, when we know affordable fuels are running out.

5 Feb 2012

1091

Why didn't they respond to increasingly unaffordable resources? Just like us their rich also probably kept wanting to just get richer.

5 Feb 2012

1090

We'd vanish like the Romans, Mayans and lots of others, depleting our resources till our rich societies just can't afford to keep working.

5 Feb 2012

1089

It's ever increasing rates of depletion for all resources, that decreases their quality to make them unaffordable to use in a crashing wave.

5 Feb 2012

1088

We act as if we realize our known resources are finite, but unaware exhausting our unknown ones VASTLY SPEEDS UP near their useful end.

5 Feb 2012

1087

The mega-wave of resource depletions started with demand food and fuel exceeding supply, and growth ever accelerates those and ALL others.

5 Feb 2012

1086

Isn't it odd, that we're facing a true global resource depletion tsunami, for EVERYTHING the economies find useful, AND NO ONE IS AWARE.

5 Feb 2012

1085

Our world consensus plan for sustaining prosperity **IS** to do what it takes to keep multiply money, as it depletes the earth ever faster.

5 Feb 2012

1084

Why is our whole cultural conversation ignoring the physical world??? It looks as if what's physically happening has no cultural relevance.

5 Feb 2012

1083

@HeleneFinidori Rediscovering what nature is doing inside those voids in our information becomes both fun and highly instructive it seems.

5 Feb 2012

1082

@HeleneFinidori People quite often "make up stuff" for those natural voids in our maps of the world, to drift lazily into magical thinking.

5 Feb 2012

1081

@HeleneFinidori Well, my focus has long been on the curious large voids in our information, around systems nature builds from the inside.
 In reply to Helene Finidori

5 Feb 2012

1080

Is “Big Media” becoming “Big Brother”? Or are we acting out a more common grand human tragedy... living like a cancer?synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

4 Feb 2012

1079

@HeleneFinidori Yes, and gaps in barriers are openings for active exploration. What if an "information world" favors "magical thinking"?

 

1078

@HeleneFinidori Why no use?? Lots of use!! If you discover you're wasting your time you can do something else. Lots of use!!
 In reply to Helene Finidori

4 Feb 2012

1077

@HeleneFinidori Yes, in our minds that makes sense. The issue is to nature it won't, if what we do has the reverse of the intended effect.
 In reply to Helene Finidori

3 Feb 2012

1076

lnkd.in/8WZEHC Well, the earliest fairly clear prediction inherent systemic financial instability that would produce great waves...

3 Feb 2012

1075

@HeleneFinidori My puzzle is why, if the world isn't working like our theory, "stewards of the earth" question the evidence instead.

 

1074

@HeleneFinidori We've been producing more of that, as well as fossil. Our uses deplete everything else usable on earth exponentially too.
 In reply to Helene Finidori

3 Feb 2012

1073

@yesmagazine @dkorten David, Even with those big steps the most critical one even Keynes pointed out is missing, a natural limit for money.
 In reply to YES! Magazine

3 Feb 2012

1072

@HeleneFinidori You know... like we've been "saving energy" all the time, and every year our energy use in total is growing exponentially...

3 Feb 2012

1071

@HeleneFinidori I've been in the middle of the activation movements for 40 years. People like their beliefs and ignore the reverse effects.
 In reply to Helene Finidori

3 Feb 2012

1070

@thinkprogress ..and "job creation" continues to expand the economy and accelerate our depletion of natural resources exponentially.
 In reply to ThinkProgress

3 Feb 2012

1069

@HeleneFinidori What gets "our ecology for transformation" off its islands of self-affirmation? We seem flustered by the reality of nature.

3 Feb 2012

1068

Regular periods of economic "retooling" causing "The Patterson Cycle" and why is it roughly 14 years long? qr.ae/7fmpu on @Quora

3 Feb 2012

1067

@VenessaMiemis Our ancient cultural "#meta-narrative" is "using our minds to control the world", why we don't notice we're destroying it.
 In reply to Venessa Miemis

3 Feb 2012

1066

@Ethical_Corp - Lesson 11, Always missing from #TopTen is to "Count the impacts of using your profit to keep multiply your impacts."#CSR
 In reply to Ethical Corporation

3 Feb 2012

1065

@InvasiveNotes @EcoInteractive Well... "Northern forests" actually NEVER were able to "trap carbon". Biomass residence time low, CO2's high.
 In reply to John Peter Thompson

3 Feb 2012

1064

@ExperienceLife - "Visionaries striving for a healthier world" need humility too. Pumping the earth dry is mostly for the same goal too.
 In reply to Experience Life

3 Feb 2012

1063

Or is it perhaps not the false ploys but the true ones like Google and Facebook, making the real power of the money multiplier's addicition.

2 Feb 2012

1062

Or is it because we're gullible and easily seduced by false gifts as ploys, paid for by people with a life addiction as a money multiplier.

 

1061

Or was it that someone big gave all our experts marching orders to march us all off over the biggest of all possible cliffs?

 

1060

So really, why are we trying to sustain our prosperity by using up our depleting resources ever faster, something we ate?

 

1059

Komen: We "apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt...[on] our mission of saving women's lives."
Retweeted by J.L. Henshaw

2 Feb 2012

1058

@webisteme well, sure, the "money multiplier" is the person or business that rents their money to multiply it. It's addictive.
 In reply to Eli Gothill

2 Feb 2012

1057

lnkd.in/yCkDWE OK, but you're still just asking how to represent nature in your model. That’s a study of modeling not of how...

2 Feb 2012

1056

@Adbusters #occupy Really since ~1970 when median incomes leveled off, GDP growth has been ENTIRELY growth in disparity, NOTHING ELSE.

2 Feb 2012

1055

@rushkoff Nature's ideal way to fund the web, so content is made for the viewer, needs a way to offer micro credits to sites as we view.

 

1054

@rushkoff - Doug, from my view of economies as physical systems, your ideas seem *just spot on*, and important. We'd have things to share.

 

1053

@Ethical_Corp - Ah well, see comment, "decoupling" one thing'll multiply our other wicked problems.. #CSR #Keystone awe.sm/5eUPn
 In reply to Ethical Corporation

2 Feb 2012

1052

@STWR_ Helena, I agree with the logic, that the right way to end growth would keep jobs and save the climate too...theeconomicsofhappiness.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/the…
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1 Feb 2012

1051

When you start seeing the economy as an organic behavior of a whole environment, it helps turn your attention away from imposing your rules. 

1 Feb 2012

1050

It really helps explain the economy to see that growth has such amazing variety in its complexity to be impossible to solve as an equation.

1 Feb 2012

1049

Driving a complex organic growth system like the economy, to grow like a cancer forever, hoping a model of boxes and arrows helps, won't.

1 Feb 2012

1048

@NatureNews Growth remains a growth process, creating the features of complex systems, nothing like a numeric model for boxes and arrows.

1 Feb 2012

1047

lnkd.in/3ABZeA Wolfgang, Thanks for your persistence. I’m trying to point out a common conceptual error, in thinking about how...

31 Jan 2012

1046

If ~$100K of GDP makes CO2 needing 1 acre of forest to recapture, who pays the finance, tax and labor costs of maintaining it forever too?

31 Jan 2012

1045

@TheTakeaway If nothing will be "decided" except by the election, then all we need to talk about is better understanding the real problems.

31 Jan 2012

1044

lnkd.in/GspVjN Not quite sure what you're saying. Resource markets have much more control over the decisions people than the...

30 Jan 2012

1043

lnkd.in/ZubK9G Well if that's what you want to know, then ask me. I've had the answer to that for 30 years, and to my surprise I...

30 Jan 2012

1042

lnkd.in/cXe6Ny OK, you seem to say you've another way to know all the right answers to the unusual questions I'd ask, and so don't...

30 Jan 2012

1041

It turns out the best parts of #capitalism are kept, and the evil parts lost, if businesses stop growing like cancers when the whole can't.

30 Jan 2012

1040

So... IF investors noticed limits to growing the economy were making it unprofitable, would they keep their parts growing like a cancer?

30 Jan 2012

1039

lnkd.in/_87rKr I guess you seem to keep saying just the right principles, but reaching the opposite conclusion I do. You say...

30 Jan 2012

1038

The big thing setting apart #Lively systems from ones following set rules or equations is their way of emerging as new systems with a burst.

30 Jan 2012

1037

@Revkin Search for life here on Earth alive too, spotting systems large or small working by themselves, as bursts of new relationships .

30 Jan 2012

1036

lnkd.in/uy5Rti Complexity models have a great many more problems with representing how natural systems emerge from their...

29 Jan 2012

1035

@HansRosling A way to fall into poverty and stay there is our old and current way of prospering, by ever accelerating resource depletion.
 In reply to Hans Rosling

29 Jan 2012

1034

@NYTimesFriedman famously wrote on our shrinking environment, now plans on the opposite for our next great recovery..nytimes.com/2012/01/29/opi…

29 Jan 2012

1033

@nytimes Tom, It's such a mystery when "a changing environment" is the problem, we don't look for what it's changing!nytimes.com/2012/01/29/opi…

29 Jan 2012

1032

lnkd.in/2MJtR5 Well, I certainly agree with you when you say "There is no perfect closed from solution to anything." It's where...

29 Jan 2012

1031

Chile's Camila is a cool leader, like others tho, leading people to think distributing the problem of money will solve it not worsen it.

29 Jan 2012

1030

lnkd.in/pSbRiG Oops, some sort of mysterious error, 1.1.1. was mean to be 1.3.4 I think with * for 2. with the first word...

28 Jan 2012

1029

Going through these wrenching changes once a generation, or once every twenty, that's one thing, but going for doing them monthly is rough.

28 Jan 2012

1028

lnkd.in/rCTPXV 1. In common English, "reality" would be what our minds don't define, the matter of the world that exists by...

28 Jan 2012

1027

How to fly a pickle, first grow wings and jam your foot to the floor, then when you crash be glad it's just a pickle, and not your society.

28 Jan 2012

1026

lnkd.in/ENHvek So, if your model of a system's past indicates acceleration of a vehicle toward a tree, you could then compare the...

28 Jan 2012

1025

@OccupyWallStNYC. Why doesn't anyone seem to notice what creates inequality is not profit, but using it to multiply your power over others.
 In reply to #OCCUPYWALLSTREET

27 Jan 2012

1024

@Revkin doesn't "locked in" to opposite extremes for the next 1000 years sound more like politics than the weather?
 In reply to Andy Revkin

27 Jan 2012

1023

@giyom Banking *would* naturally shrink to a "clearing" task, if not for people adding sure profits to their bets for concentrating wealth.

27 Jan 2012

 

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1022

@dataliberation IT'S NOT FAIR AT ALL. You lock us into free services, to collect our data as your property, to sell not in our interests.

26 Jan 2012

1021

#Capitalism in Crisis @FinancialTimes - It's easy to criticize, not knowing how to steer an economy away from dead endsft.com/intl/cms/s/0/8…

26 Jan 2012

1020

@brookejarvis See comment there (yesmagazine.org/planet/new-yor…) Natural gas may be a high carbon, not low carbon, energy source synapse9.com/issues/images/…

26 Jan 2012

1019

lnkd.in/59S4sb I really do appreciate your frustration. The next question beyond having a useful model may be a way to say what...

26 Jan 2012

1018

lnkd.in/uMpshf It's just that to discuss how models fit a complex system like an economy, you kind of need to discuss the subject,...

24 Jan 2012

1017

lnkd.in/W_9KRq I think if you check the instrumental processes involved, you find that the means by which what you call...

24 Jan 2012

1016

lnkd.in/PNpepf That's the thing, they're made of information ONLY in our minds. The working processes of nature don't use...

24 Jan 2012

1015

@politifact An odder belief is I=PAT, that technology efficiency that first multiplied impacts will reverse them too!synapse9.com/home.htm#ish1 

24 Jan 2012

1014

@politifact Why the economy doesn't behave as expected includes how crazy what we expect is, that it should grow forever with no difficulty.

24 Jan 2012

1013

@politifact re:#FLdebate You might fact check if any of them showed an understand of why the economy is not behaving as anyone expects?

24 Jan 2012

1012

lnkd.in/TXGizB Well, I could show you dozens of ways in which describing natural systems as information models following natural... 

23 Jan 2012

1011

It's disturbing that usually "sustainability = BAU", more hidden ever growing impacts. Uncovering it will yield great hidden rewards too. 

23 Jan 2012

1010

The economists who did it weren't "evil", they just wanted MEASURES OF GROWTH AND CONSTRAINT that conflicted, to BOTH mean "good". 

23 Jan 2012

1009

Then if you use the phrase "do the math" as if it means something, and you find out you've been tricked, who should be responding but isn't. 

23 Jan 2012

1008

So, that a trick of %'s allowed sustainability to become BAU and EVERYONE happy about it, still leaves us sustaining ever faster depletion. 

23 Jan 2012

1007

People quoted rates of change in %'s are easily confused, by "units of measure" that are reset to "1.0", with each and every measurement. 

23 Jan 2012

1006

What turned "sustainability" into "BAU" was at the beginning of the movement, economists defined decrease as slower %'s of increase.2012

 23 Jan 2012

1005

If an intellectual trick turned "sustainability" into "BAU", to make it both popular and profitable, who should be responding but isn't? 

23 Jan 2012

1004

@MittRomney Hmm... trying to buy the world turned out not to be cheap it seems. 

22 Jan 2012

1003

@InvasiveNotes What most characterizes what a system selects is it's swell of accumulating parts over time, starting small and ending small.

22 Jan 2012

1002

lnkd.in/NYcBDm Ah, well. We do seem to all be agreeing on our inability to find a common way to refer to our subject again. I...

22 Jan 2012

1001

@InvasiveNotes Not really. What they effectively "scour their environments for" are complementary parts to add, on all scales at once.

22 Jan 2012

1000

lnkd.in/bBzrEk Wolfgang, "Predicting the future" may well be a false objective for models lacking a way to anticipate change in...

22 Jan 2012

999

InvasiveNotes John Peter Thompson   A paradox is a paradox for a reason: it means there’s something wrong in our thinking.

21 Jan 2012

998

@InvasiveNotes Fermi "not a paradox"?? If changes build, not vary randomly, results might be far more improbable.blogger.com/comment.g?blog…

22 Jan 2012

997

@Revkin @Annaleen If scientists don't lead with their real questions, others can't repeat them, and no one learns to think scientifically.

22 Jan 2012

996

It's still the free choice of investors... to invest in exploiting the earth to its exhaustion for ever growing false profits, either way.

22 Jan 2012

995

Or is it not paying attention that traps us in fixed thinking about an ever changing world, that forces us to develop bad hearts? 

22 Jan 2012

994

Is it that our bad hearts cause us to not pay attention, so we get in trouble with our endlessly beautiful ever changing world? 

22 Jan 2012

993

You might say "nature's at fault", inventing all kinds of things "too good to be true" that blow up and rearrange everything around them.

21 Jan  2012

992

lnkd.in/Emtp7C Wolfgang, Starting from your saying what matters “IS THE INTERFACE AMONG THEM, where virtually no one is working”....

21 Jan 2012

991

@InvasiveNotes: "if an entity grows at the exspense of the orginating source shoud it always be excised?"- or paired by finding its match?? 

21 Jan 2012

990

@Revkin What does "game over" for climate change mean,the chance of losing manhattan to the sea up from 5% to 50% maybe, a new problem? 

20 Jan 2012

989

lnkd.in/tD-hYr George, I'd accept your concept of "human nature" as a measurable entity, for how we represent things to fit into... 

20 Jan 2012

988

The #media of a sane #society would spend 90% of #politicaldiscussion on understanding the problems and 10% of what politicians say...

20 Jan 2012

987

@aleksj Oh,.. and the way we talked about for monetizing the web does offer a simple way to secure it too. 

19 Jan 2012

986

@aleksj But... how would you secure the open web?? Shouldn't the biggies volunteer to design a way rather rather than throw their tantrums?       

 19 Jan 2012

985

What's "shady" about finance? SO many ways of dismissing how money is confined to reality, as what we use to ask others to do stuff!                 

 19 Jan 2012

984

Where are medicine's "leaches", religion's "incantations" and science's "epicycles" today?? Well they obviously ALL moved into finance!  

 19 Jan 2012

983

lnkd.in/zw7STN Maybe this will help identify what has always separated our approaches, as well as show you my way of getting to...

19 Jan 2012

982

Tax Law needs *two rates for capital gains* 1)a rate for investments that build, and 2) for those that burn, our bridges to having a future. 

19 Jan 2012

981

What burns our bridges to the future is using the resources to build them for anything else, burning them up denying the need to change. 

19 Jan 2012

980

The big #jobs #loss the #Keystone pipeline would cause is loss of scarce resources for a sustainable economy to extending an outmoded one.

19 Jan 2012

979

lnkd.in/2mZizD Wolfgang, Well you suggest human cognition is enough, and I don’t doubt as knowledge accumulates cognition may... 

18 Jan 2012

978

The great past societies that excelled in problem solving all appear to have bet on it, creating their own insolvable problem and died.

18 Jan  2012

977

The big difference between physical and conceptual worlds, is nature keeps perfect track of things physically we mostly miss conceptually.

18 Jan 2012

976

lnkd.in/mAuYfE Wolfgang, Yes I agree with that principle, that from a modeler's view it's identifying real constraints that allow... 

18 Jan 2012

975

@InvasiveNotes @eizusdoow I think Google is very largely just being greedy, not wanting to change their growth model to make the world safe.

18 Jan 2012

974

It might appear someone should, but actually no one really makes money off of driving their whole economic system to exhaustion. 

18 Jan 2012

973

lnkd.in/j3PN6b Well, how I was able to predict a storm of crises 30 years in the future, that would end economic growth... 

18 Jan 2012

972

Still, the opportunity to make the change, from growth to self-reliance needs resources, and does pass by if used to resist not to move on.

18 Jan 2012

971

It can be a tough choice, if the baggage to cut at the limit to growth is the former source of life, the fossil resource or umbilical chord.

18 Jan 2012

970

It's a similar choice for a world economy, for it to graduate from taxing the earth to get ever bigger to get ever better, or we go broke. 

18 Jan 2012

969

An individual's "limit to growth" is "change", stop paying for college, shed the baggage of childhood and finding how to be free and profit. 

18 Jan 2012

968

People are so stubborn they miss the most obvious of natural solutions to what we see as confounding problems, like limits to growth.

18 Jan 2012

967

@edyong209 @revkin Also funny is omitting how "good science" sees "new science" as "bad science" to joke about first.blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscien…

17 Jan 2012

966

"Dodges" are OK if it's dodging the bullet rather than dodging the question... to stand flat footed waiting for bullets, like 0 net-energy. 

17 Jan 2012

965

@JohnTierneyNYT Easy Counter to Climate Change (promoting growth too) like ALL #dodges, lets real problem get worse.nyti.ms/xtWjik 

17 Jan 2012

964

@NYTIMES Practical Counter to Climate Change (promoting growth too) like ALL #dodges, lets the real problem get worse.nyti.ms/xtWjik

17 Jan 2012

963

@Ethical_Corp The "bridge to the future" would also have grown an economy too big to ever cross, a deeper error all growth plans make. 

17 Jan 2012

962

**Any project starts with growth**, using its progress to multiply its parts, but then to survive... uses its progress to serve its world. 

17 Jan 2012

961

@Ethical_Corp Yes, as a "bridge to the future" natural gas was investors' dream ignoring their system's effects again!energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor… 

17 Jan 2012

960

@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin You find natural processes are not inherent, but develop from local invention, like even social networks! 

16 Jan 2012

959

@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin How little information we can have is seen in how individual events originate, always from a vanishing point! 

16 Jan 2012

958

@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin What'll show how little information we can have is how individual events develop, always from a vanishing point! 

16 Jan 2012

957

@7homaslin @nytimes Oh, I think it already has with more coming, like showing how little information about how nature works we'll ever have. 

16 Jan 2012

956

@revkin So really, why is world policy to reduce economic impacts and keep the economy growing by switching from resources to efficiency? 

16 Jan 2012

955

@Ethical_Corp The Challenge for #CSR #Sustainability #Reporting, What share of the whole is yours?? synapse9.com/signals/2012/0… 

16 Jan 2012

954

@InvasiveNotes Oh no!! as growth is how all things begin. They're kept if the profit they make from expanding control gets spent joining in. 

16 Jan 2012

953

@InvasiveNotes @lisduarte @Brazilintel If the social values of the cells deny being part of the body, every cell is a cancer, like we see. 

16 Jan 2012

952

@postgrowth Using social value theory gave us reducing the economy by expanding it more efficiently, driving all our purposes into conflict. 

16 Jan 2012

951

If the social thinking of both liberals and conservatives come from voodoo science, it's pride in the competition that's really sick. 

16 Jan 2012

950

@Ethical_Corp @Revkin Our social thinking is SO #uneducated, expanding things more efficiently to shrink them, is #scientism, not #science.

16 Jan 2012

949

It's that concentrating jobs in fewer hands is now a more profitable way to "make money", as everything pushes up against natural limits. 

15 Jan 2012

948

There's a quite natural cause for investment markets acting as if it was more profitable to use our savings to eliminate jobs for our kids. 

15 Jan 2012

947

I think maybe the more steps of separation between your eyes and your impacts serves to greatly reduce them... is that possible? 

15 Jan 2012

946

@Ethical_Corp #CSR #Fracking When studied as a system, does natural gas really create more GHG's than coal or oil?energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor… 

15 Jan 2012

945

@Revkin @TimesUnion Andy, what about research saying natural gas, as a system, produces more GHG's that coal or oil??energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor… 

15 Jan 2012

944

@mattmillernow It's predators,.. but that *everyone's* savings once created jobs for our kids, naturally reversing at the limits of growth. 

15 Jan 2012

943

Is politics a lot like mud wrestling, with everyone floundering around trying to pin each other with their slippery misconceptions? 

14 Jan 2012

942

@theTBI @JesseJenkins Problem with proving macro principles with micro theory @climateprogress is rebound still = 2.5.thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/01/1… 

14 Jan 2012

941

lnkd.in/u4MpjW Isn't it something like a "natural law" that an implied contract for guaranteed perpetual multiplying returns on... 

14 Jan 2012

940

Our purposes in growth started coming into growing conflict 50+ years ago, as if with the limits of the earth, as intensifying resistance. 

14 Jan 2012

939

It might start with noticing the things our theories can't control, and realizing that most of our ideal purposes are coming into conflict. 

14 Jan 2012

938

How do we get back to a world that hasn't gone mad with conflicting visions and languages, might be another less technical way to ask it. 

14 Jan 2012

937

So, should we "forge ahead" on the trusted old plan, not somehow causing massive inequality as we destroy the earth for the winners?? 

14 Jan 2012

936

There was a time when growth DID "lift all boats", but the data says now it changed, and anyone's growth success costs another's failure. 

14 Jan 2012

935

Then you get to asking, if the river of money was manageable at one point, but now become deeper than any dam or channel can constrain, why? 

13 Jan 2012

934

Growing rivers of consumption go around conservation or regulation like water around a stick, that only a dam ridge to ridge would restrain. 

13 Jan 2012

933

The economic appetites evade how we push them, flowing around barriers like water, as what makes profit seeking markets so successful. 

13 Jan 2012

932

Why the system goes the opposite way we think we're pushing it starts with believing, not denying, the data.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl… 

13 Jan 2012

931

We think opposing "the system" has an effect, but often it's **only where we're looking** so conservation goes with growing waste somehow. 

13 Jan 2012

930

@Revkin @keithkloor Well, there's also the older "free content" info. problem, that nature's systems work from the inside, hidden from view. 

13 Jan 2012

929

@Revkin @dotearth @story_collider @tvjrennie (of course, thinking of the real world as what we're looking at rather than what our minds see) 

13 Jan 2012

928

@Revkin @dotearth @story_collider @tvjrennie So, is the blind side of science that only what our theories *don't control* refers to reality? 

13 Jan 2012

927

@STWR_ It's nuts to say ending poverty requires growth, as growth is what caused poverty. Nature is a balance, needing greed and restraint. 

13 Jan 2012

926

@Revkin @jimdwyernyt But.. the devil's in the detail, natural gas as a system may produce more CO2 per btu than oil!energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor… 

13 Jan 2012

925

@Adbusters #OCCUPYNIGERIA Fine message that working ever harder is just not fun! The question is how to use the profits to heal the process. 

13 Jan 2012

924

@NatureNews What, "stuff the ballot box" for science. That's a great idea. Could we also keep social media from inventing its own realities? 

13 Jan 2012

923

@InvasiveNotes How the food crisis and energy crisis link exposes "peak everything" as the earth's real limit of money.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves… 

13 Jan 2012

922

@Revkin @whitehouse Investing in growth, while hiding impacts from view, is using our profits to avoid change, not facilitating our change. 

13 Jan 2012

921

@Revkin @whitehouse But the plan is still "BAU", for the economy's encroachment on the earth growing forever, trying to keep it out of view. 

13 Jan 2012

920

@ClimateReality Being economically efficient, GDP still takes 16oz. of CO2 per $1. So the earth's limit for CO2 is also its limit for money. 

13 Jan 2012

919

@ClimateReality Environmental protection hasn't ever protected the environment from economic encroachment, except symbolically. 

13 Jan 2012

918

@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance If you can't see "your" own impacts, they'll be closer to "average" for the system you're in than "0". 

12 Jan 2012

917

@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance The source of the problem isn't damage done, but growing our uses of the earth hoping to not do damage. 

12 Jan 2012

916

@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance A great irony of environmental protection is relieving symptoms diverts action from the problem too... 

12 Jan 2012

915

It's very interesting, that a pivotal issue of the extreme right is becoming the sustainability of using profits for profit, costing jobs!! 

11 Jan 2012

914

The profits of the old system used to make a sustainable one, will create the only system, as the building of things designed to fail, does. 

11 Jan 2012

913

@brookejarvis @DeChristopher Heroism is great, but lacking insight looses effect, so fragmented campaigns compete for shrinking funds. 

11 Jan 2012

912

@ClimateReality You need to use the profits of the old system to build the new, but its quite false to say the new can profit like the old. 

11 Jan 2012

911

1 The eruptions of life are found, exploring the "S" curves of time, that start with explosions of new relationships, that resolve or not. 

11 Jan 2012

910

1 Good natured people stay unaware of their living world since what they see is in their heads, making the erupting changes of life invisible. 

11 Jan 2012

909

1 It's the same "mind/world" barrier trapping us idiotic political struggle, from the horrors of Gilgamesh the Bible and Voltaire to today. 

11 Jan 2012

908

1 It's good natured people destroying the earth, not recognizing the explosive self-organizing events of nature our lives are built around. 

11 Jan 2012

907

1 @postgrowth @jeffhollender Workers seeking maximum returns from a natural world they see only as a resource, WON'T CHANGE A THING. 

11 Jan 2012

906

1 Q: Oh! ... heavens, you seem to owe me a nearly infinite amount of money!! A: duhh... OK I guess. I'll work a little harder. 

10 Jan 2012

905

1 How many societies grew to destroy their environments and themselves? Seemingly all the ones that tried to measure wealth with math. 

10 Jan 2012

904

1 Little doubt **something** will happen to a deranged world intellectual culture whose prosperity is using up stuff running out ever faster. 

10 Jan 2012

903

1 Why we really have ever more complex and rapidly changing problems is simple, our building an ever more complex and rapidly changing world. 

10 Jan 2012

902

What promotes vast cultures of artificial reality, quackery or not, is dealing with ever more complex problems with ever less attention. 

10 Jan 2012

901

@Sheril_ @Revkin Is it #quackery the way social networks redefine how nature works, just by their agreement, accepted by most as if science? 

10 Jan 2012

900

@Ethical_Corp The error misleading us on natural gas was... THE USUAL ONE WE MAKE, not looking at it as a whole system.synapse9.com/SEA 

10 Jan 2012

899

What makes the world's growing #conflict and #complications so #confusing is our #failure see how it's our #successes directly causing it. 

10 Jan 2012

898

The #conflict around the world is mostly from our #successes, growing investment in solutions becoming too complex and conflicted to manage. 

10 Jan 2012

897

But is rising #confusion and #conflict around the world being caused by people's #successes or their #failures??? 

10 Jan 2012

896

Asking if the brain "knows" anything at all, except its own social constructions, would help reveal the underlying matrix of the real world. 

9 Jan 2012

895

Information is a problem for debating how nature's systems work, if that's hidden within them. People then argue fantasies not effects. 

9 Jan 2012

894

On average, a $10 purchase, say some wine, really takes the economy making 10lb. of CO2 to deliver to you! What you don't know can hurt... 

9 Jan 2012

893

Is the real problem aggregate over-investment, caused by our everyone's effort to maximize their growing investment?ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/01/0… 

9 Jan 2012

892

The natural limit of profitable growth, as where expanding our consumption of the earth becomes unprofitable, isn't even discussed. #check

9 Jan 2012

891

It's good natured people, and their prosperity, still leading the exhaustion of the earth in the name of creating plenty, who don't #check

9 Jan 2012

890

lnkd.in/p2feVH Those are some good indicators, but there's a need to be able to define the turning point, and line not to cross,... 

8 Jan 2012

889

So, could the real problem be vast over-investment, naturally caused by maximizing our rate of multiplying investment?ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/01/0… 

8 Jan 2012

888

@Revkin @politifact Physical progress has limits because addition and subtraction are conserved, so trends change their environments, check! 

8 Jan 2012

887

lnkd.in/2qKq-h Animated natural systems also show accumulative design, like the development of natural air currents.... 

7 Jan 2012

886

@Revkin @politifact Actually, it's particularly physical directions of progress that become their own impediment, not dreams. Check! 

7 Jan 2012

885

@politifact @revkin Does progress naturally become an increasing impediment to progress? The firm scientific answer is "Yes". Please check 

7 Jan 2012

884

@Revkin check "Will getting bigger result in difficulty for getting bigger?" "Do we live by contradiction even for things we could check?" 

7 Jan 2012

883

General media disclaimer "Given persistent conflict between views of common realities WE PRINT WHAT PAYS, AND STOP LOOKING FOR HOW TO CHECK" 

7 Jan 2012

882

A "truth in reporting" disclaimer is needed. "Given conflicting views of common realities "WE PRINT TRUE AND FALSE VIEWS AS EQUALLY VALID" 

7 Jan 2012

881

lnkd.in/DMVzFS Accumulative branching is a key feature of all sorts of natural system design, but I think needs to be considered... 

6 Jan 2012

880

And in the end, theory still finds, all of nature must be between the lines. 

6 Jan 2012

879

With our lives, like anything that uses energy, being some kind of "flame". 

6 Jan 2012

878

Energy conservation says "before & after must add up for energy" and Q.M. that "they can't add up for our information". Both seem very true! 

6 Jan 2012

877

That science is an art of finding questions you can answer with high confidence, evidently makes it all but totally useless to politicians. 

6 Jan 2012

876

An odd reality of politics is "policies" mostly effect the news, and NOT really the economy, an organism "on a tear"... we don't understand. 

5 Jan 2012

875

lnkd.in/iTBqiH I wasn't the first to predict the economy's breakdown for the same cause I ultimately singled out as an unavoidable... 

4 Jan 2012

874

So, now it's Wednesday, election over, and every question science can't answer is STILL up to politicians and social activists to decide 

4 Jan 2012

873

lnkd.in/yJwmbT There are also differences between predicting events and understanding why our economic system is presently failing... 

3 Jan 2012

872

lnkd.in/aTV7MU With some people arranging to accumulate their incomes by %'s and others by constant units, I don't see how a... 

3 Jan 2012

871

lnkd.in/-wVPzg That's interesting. It's fairly common (six blind men and the elephant) that different valid views of complex... 

3 Jan 2012

870

lnkd.in/UYNX7W Well, if you think of careful forensic detective work to be "qualitative", then I guess so. It's less about... 

2 Jan 2012

869

lnkd.in/KJh_N8 George, The way I apply the physics behind my method (of natural organizational limits to growth) is to then look... 

2 Jan 2012

868

So, better to think of nature as the new information you are missing, and need to find, rather than beliefs based on information of past 

2 Jan 2012

867

What's often bogus in our beliefs is treating trends as nature having fixed rules, when it's the opposite, changing rules that won't last. 

2 Jan 2012

866

When over-invested and expansion isn't making multiplying returns of cheaper stuff but the opposite, invest in solidifying not expanding. 

2 Jan 2012

865

Or.. we could discover that #belief usually produces bogus ideas of the future, wrong directions searching for what NEW path to take. 

2 Jan 2012

864

Here's an idea, ro fix the economy we could replace one guy who has no idea what the problem is with a bunch of others who don't either. 

2 Jan 2012

863

kcrw.com/news/programs/… @LRC The common view of "the disconnect" expressed today is as close to a real understanding of our deep problem as... 

1 Jan 2012

862

@EarthEconomics @evangineer @kalamishere @ClimateSpec@ISEEORG @Moraleconomy @theneweconomics@feasta_tweets No-growth except for money ???? 

28 Dec 2011

861

What society's desire for growing profits runs into... is how it changed the earth, a far bigger "head wind" facing us than Barack imagines. 

27 Dec 2011

860

All society wants from Wall St is ever growing returns for those with savings, and not see the growing impacts. Inequality is one of them. 

27 Dec 2011

859

@adbusters To "flow to where it needs to" #occupy needs insight, ...on how Wall St creates inequality doing exactly what society asks it to. 

27 Dec 2011

858

Even cutting diamonds is "just a little tap" (in just the right direction). But you have to closely study the internal nature of diamonds. 

26 Dec 2011

857

Leaders extol the masses to "all pull together", and treat me as a complete idiot for pointing out we won't get anywhere without wheels. 

26 Dec 2011

856

@Ethical_Corp We **still** do math counting only visible impacts of money (mostly "0"), actually "average" 8000btu/$.synapse9.com/SEA 

24 Dec 2011

855

@Ethical_Corp We **still** count math for increasing impacts more efficiently as a social credit for reducing them, after all. A gold mine! 

24 Dec 2011

854

@Ethical_Corp The end of SRI is surely that new professional money makers in "sustainability" are so good at getting self-contradiction pay. 

24 Dec 2011

853

@Adbusters #Jobcreation IS ONLY DONE FOR PROFIT, which reliably creates competition, but *NOT JOBS*, when the economy is short of resources. 

24 Dec 2011

852

@Adbusters Keeping a job is a struggle too, keeping up with the new competition from #jobcreation,.. our profits for investors get used for. 

24 Dec 2011

851

@Adbusters Well, the "shadow of the market" is in EVERYTHING, as using the market to multiply markets is .. *what we do*. 

24 Dec 2011

850

@InvasiveNotes The ideas of Thales were reversed by Plato and Aristotle, so we now still treat nature as following human ideals. 

23 Dec 2011

849

@InvasiveNotes The first Greek scientist, Thales, discovered if you studied nature as behaving by itself and knew math you could make money. 

23 Dec 2011

848

@InvasiveNotes I would say no, a "thing" is less something *we* can "see, touch or feel", than something with physical behaviors of its own. 

23 Dec 2011

847

@InvasiveNotes A "concerto" is both "thing" and "abstraction", as the word refers to both the physical phenomenon and our ideas about it. 

23 Dec 2011

846

@InvasiveNotes Pi is a very useful abstraction, real to us, but only expressed in nature *by implication* of theory, a mental construct. 

23 Dec 2011

845

@InvasiveNotes You find nature determines things in a way nothing like humans do, and so arrives at quite different results too. 

23 Dec 2011

844

@InvasiveNotes The continuities of natural systems are built differently than continuities of explanation, and it's quite useful to notice. 

23 Dec 2011

843

@InvasiveNotes The "members" and "relationships" between them in any abstract model are still all abstracted information, theory not things. 

23 Dec 2011

842

Only information raising good questions about realities beyond your view is truthful, like signals of change in how nature is responding. 

23 Dec 2011

841

@InvasiveNotes Oh John, think it through. Tensors are abstract images vastly under-representing real subjects, unless by pointing to them. 

23 Dec 2011

840

lnkd.in/trHWDQ It would be "the Dutch" and any others who see the profit opportunity in a market cornered naturally by demand... 23 Dec  2011

839

@InvasiveNotes Oh yes, forgot to put in "changing" in that, as natural forms are changing everywhere at once and information is fixed. 22 Dec 2011

 

 

838

@InvasiveNotes Oh, why all information is faulty is it's abstracted, from complex relationships in complex environments stripped away.

22 Dec 2011

837

Lnkd.in/iW_PcM I added the following as a comment to the original article from Forcasting.Net "Predicting the Global Economic...

22 Dec 2011

836

Now, then... why is it that the world expert community consensus is that we can reduce our footprint on the earth by expanding more rapidly?

22 Dec 2011

835

If God isn't what makes it *so visibly clear* only multiplying is profoundly *not fruitful*, then he's just another of our self-deceptions.

22 Dec 2011

834

If God isn't within the resolution of new beginnings by harmonizing with what they touch, he's really missing out on something.

22 Dec 2011

833

If God isn't within the bursts of new relationships that begin all the large and small storms of live, he's missing out on something.

22 Dec 2011

832

Why look for it in our words instead of in life's things. Why not look more deeply into what it is in life that inspires them?

22 Dec 2011

831

Why not look for it in the immediacy of life itself, not the retelling of theory and fable we invent, but in the very brilliance of reality?

22 Dec 2011

830

Why not look for the pulse of the universe in the bursts of innovation that begin any event, visibly what makes life and time so "lively".

22 Dec 2011

829

Why, though? Don't all people deeply desire to put their finger on the pulse of the universe?

21 Dec 2011

828

Maybe it's that human culture has no connections at all with the living world it's part of... I do feel like such an alien bringing it up.

21 Dec 2011

827

It turns science into both an actual and metaphorical treasure hunt, for hints on where to look for the secrets of our living world!

21 Dec 2011

826

An ideal place to look for missing information, on how nature "connects the dots", is studying the growth of new environmental systems.

21 Dec 2011

825

Searching for information you're missing is a task of discovering how nature "connects the dots", not how one's own social values would.

21 Dec 2011

824

Is it better to search for information you're missing, or a theory to make sense of information you have? The latter is surely easier!

21 Dec 2011

823

Lnkd.in/6ZGmrg Missing from world concern for the food crisis is our growing food/fuel demand, with no regulatory or supply solution.

21 Dec 2011

822

Spreading our most important social values will never be heard by nature, *unless* we assign value to understanding her processses.

20 Dec 2011

821

information theory proves that the perfect imitation is the real thing. But what do you need to see that all information is really faulty??

20 Dec 2011

820

It's the natural meaning of "maturity", when energy use stops growing and real knowledge growth begins, stabilizing scale to grow in wisdom.

20 Dec 2011

819

An odd hidden fact of life is what money measures is exchanges for energy use, REAL"knowledge economy" grows on a no-growth economy.

20 Dec 2011

818

Like we could have ever improving healthcare for fixed cost too, defining that as the need instead of multiplying profits to break the bank.

20 Dec 2011

817

We could have economies of growing knowledge, ever broader and deeper on a constant budget as a future, just not growing profits and energy.

20 Dec 2011

816

@tedtalks @innovatorsblog That we don't share minds, we can't check any other, for the whole self-responsiveness of all living things.

19 Dec 2011

815

You can see time as an addition process in growth, cycles of stimulus & response add a little each time, going in circles to get somewhere.

19 Dec 2011

814

Being unaware of time as a process of addition also hides why earning by %'s and by $'s diverges, as the real source of wealth disparity.

19 Dec 2011

813

Mistaking efficient increase with decrease, for saving the earth, comes with living in the "ever-present", unaware of time as addition.

19 Dec 2011

812

How did doing development that adds to our impacts on the earth so efficiently it is said to reduce them... get called "sustainability"??

19 Dec 2011

811

Any time contentious questions come up, someone seems to be arguing their imagination is without bound. Shouldn't that make us suspicious?

19 Dec 2011

810

Steiglitz now saying US economy in drift toward depression. wnyc.org/shows/bl/2011/… ..Or is it simply nature's way of shedding excess demand?

19 Dec 2011

809

Human designs are SO unresponsive to what's hidden from view. To nature's magically sustained bursts of organization NOTHING seems hidden.

19 Dec 2011

808

@Frances_Coppola @edwardnh The 5000 years of debt have also been turmoil, misunderstanding "be fruitful and multiply".. creditwritedowns.com/2011/12/the-hi

19 Dec 2011

807

Why life is so magical, is partly that how the myriad natural systems behave by themselves, beyond our view, is itself truly magical.

18 Dec 2011

806

@yesmagazine - A small giant problem with Kortens & #Occupy just blaming "the bandits". yesmagazine.org/people-power/d…

18 Dec 2011

805

The values #TEEB puts on nature also miss the impacts of money hidden by a lack of receipts. synapse9.com/SEA #TED on.ted.com/A5wm

18 Dec 2011

804

@CapInstitute On #Keystone, Obama just needs to do the math. A greatly expanding commitment to outmoded technology won't be profitable.

18 Dec 2011

803

@LarissaDrekonja .. and when people don't care,.. then count on nature to not let that to continue, as not caring is just abdication.

18 Dec 2011

802

But society is unified in asking gov. and biz. to continually grow our profits, incomes and demands on the earth, destabilizing the earth.

18 Dec 2011

801

People don't actually need ever doubling incomes, so finding how that is destabilizing the earth is a signal to stop, not itself a problem.

18 Dec 2011

800

What ties money to reality is how we use it, destabilizing our world most directly using it to multiply our instructions for our world?

18 Dec 2011

799

Both common sense and calculus say you don't slow things down being efficient at speeding them up, ..what our money myths have us ALL doing.

16 Dec 2011

798

If pushing harder earns new penalties rather than rewards, it's often a sign of natural resistance, not a call to sacrifice and push harder.

16 Dec 2011

797

@postgrowth @socialadvoc8 Adapting to forces beyond your control is very natural, but in our case also lets them keep getting worse.

16 Dec 2011

796

Renewables won't give you limitless growing energy, but more sustainable jobs than dirty oil pipelines to be abandoned to save the climate.

15 Dec 2011

795

@cjeder #Occupy's policy is "everybody's pissed" a true self-affirming social value, not an insight into what to do, so it isn't strategy.

14 Dec 2011

794

Basically, regulators haven't noticed that the earth has started producing less, so the banks suffer from their own taking of ever more.

14 Dec 2011

793

By avoiding policy debate the #Occupy policy becomes "everyone made happy", and nearly all agreeing on a range of contradictory things.

14 Dec 2011

792

The basic problem is trusting things that work in our heads to work in the world. Nature is simply not persuaded by our social battles.

14 Dec 2011

791

Social values actually don't make good economic theory, wishful thinking replacing what has to work. Wish the economists knew that too.

14 Dec 2011

790

So in our continuing war with nature we're losing decisive battles, society consumed with contradictory policy no one checks with reality.

14 Dec 2011

789

The social value *everyone* agrees on is "things should work", but then never check if their social policy would have that effect.

14 Dec 2011

788

Investors react even worse, of course, to finding their natural fiduciary duty is to spend their profits so the earth isn't over-invested.

13 Dec 2011

787

So, my question is why our culture so afraid of reality, when that is clearly not a diversion, but the only way out of a jam.

13 Dec 2011

786

One glaring one is the world use of efficiency to expand production, treated as blasphemy by greens claiming the opposite for consumption!!

13 Dec 2011

785

When the schemes of the "good guys" are as mad or madder than those of the "bad guys", then you have a real problem!

13 Dec 2011

784

@giyom - yes, "conquering death" with average impacts of using 8000btu, like 1/2kg CO2 & paving more earth, per $1. synapse9.com/design/dollars

13 Dec 2011

783

I mention it, as the world DOES measure the energy use for products as "0" when lacking information, not "average"...http://synapse9.com/SEA

12 Dec 2011

782

Like treating a lack of information as proof of what you like, with the energy cost of using money = 0 not "average", if you can't trace it.

12 Dec 2011

781

A telling example is treating a lack of information as proof of what we like, the energy cost of using money being 0, if you don't see it.

12 Dec 2011

780

How people don't think straight is seen in our not using reasoning to fill the gaps in our reasoning, but self-affirming guesswork instead.

12 Dec 2011

779

@Revkin Andy, nyti.ms/rO4O2k is so clearly dimwitted, to ignore rates of change entirely, I'm shocked you don't offer it as ironic

12 Dec 2011

778

@CapInstitute @Adbusters -So why wouldn't it be worth studying the natural economics of the real world? (To see what dreams can be real)

12 Dec 2011

777

But the question is does ANYONE want out of the mind's traps of artificial reality enough to escape them, and would that change anything?

12 Dec 2011

776

#CSR #SRI ...well, of course, not to overlook that the whole PURPOSE of #consciousness is essentially to let us bask in self-deception...

12 Dec 2011

775

But GDP *IS* *REAL end goods and services*, in units scaled to enduring values like food and fuel, with GDP & impacts seen growing together.

12 Dec 2011

774

People want "#decoupling" money from impacts to work. The impacts of money aren't what you see, though, but what average people do with it.

12 Dec 2011

773

"Green Climate Fund" will reduce carbon locally to promote it with growth globally, the real source of ALL our conflicts with the earth.

12 Dec 2011

772

People wouldn't need to become ever more productive to survive, if their profits weren't used for #feedback driving the entire economy to.

11 Dec 2011

771

Being consumed with continuing the main problem, ever growing productivity using up the earth for profit, it seems all anyone has time for.

11 Dec 2011

770

@Revkin @brodernyt No timeline for CO2 works while ignoring the 80% of energy demand for uncounted business services. synapse9.com/SEA

11 Dec 2011

769

That business services all promote our main economic purpose, growth, and ever multiplying resource demand,... then seems hidden from view.

11 Dec 2011

768

The REAL reasons for energy demand now persistently exceeding supply is the ~80% of demand hidden in business services, and what THEY do.

11 Dec 2011

767

So the energy discussion uses highly "asymmetric" data, as if the ~20% of business energy demand from technology worked in total isolation.

11 Dec 2011

766

Businesses record the energy demands of technology, but can't for the FAR larger energy use for outsourced services. synapse9.com/SEA

11 Dec 2011

765

Social networks, like religions and even science, create their stories of reality using information they have, overlooking what they don't.

11 Dec 2011

764

Lnkd.in/dNfJPp Carl, I do generally agree, that our subjective view gives a subjective direction to the theories we develop. One...

9 Dec 2011

763

@ClimateReality Clean energy would be cleaner... if it substituted for dirty energy rather than just added to it and growing energy impacts.

8 Dec 2011

762

@johnmsmart John Smart - Nice start.  No more corporate personhood in LA, Unanimous plt.me/MjEyMDE2

8 Dec 2011

761

What @Adbusters and #Occupy don't get is why finance has to get ever bigger ever faster, society's mistaken demand for ever growing profits.

8 Dec 2011

760

What the #TeaParty doesn't get is things can't work as for a small society in a big world, as it's the costs of the reverse we're hitting.

8 Dec 2011

759

Lnkd.in/vzcWka Well, James, I'm often in that same position. What I usually find is if people can't agree on what the subject...

8 Dec 2011

758

Lnkd.in/X95pac Yes, we should also consider as a core question of systems thinking whether natural phenomena are by their nature...

8 Dec 2011

757

Lnkd.in/3RvMRE What I'm trying to raise is the difference between "natural phenomena" that work by their own complex processes,...

8 Dec 2011

756

Lnkd.in/SJqsSg James, A growth is a kind of system construction process, in which the organization of the system develops...

7 Dec 2011

755

Lnkd.in/Ah4eyZ James, Virtually every growth system is a classic example of history dependent distributed self-organization....

7 Dec 2011

754

Lnkd.in/8VnTb2 James, you seem to be reaching, to seemingly say humans should be exempt from the observable physical properties of...

7 Dec 2011

753

Lnkd.in/pjZxcT James, NECSI seems to be a scientific organization, which studies complex systems, including those that become...

7 Dec 2011

752

@Adbusters If #Occupy is all about systemic change, how come its supporters don't talk to systemic thinkers, just social thinkers?

6 Dec 2011

751

Lnkd.in/kGExfy P.S. Elan, Just to address one of your particular points, that I agree does *seem* to contradict the view that...

6 Dec 2011

750

We just don't live in that world any more, when a little productivity improvement would keep uncorking limitless growing resources.

6 Dec 2011

749

Lnkd.in/8a_B28 Elan, I do agree with you on the success of democratic government to successively improve the lives of people....

6 Dec 2011

748

@Revkin @wihbey @YaleE360 - All that social self-affirmation, neatly avoiding discussion of THE MAIN FORCING FACTOR, growing money.

6 Dec 2011

747

Information models *always* fail when growing complexity for physical systems goes beyond the limit of information in the models.

6 Dec 2011

746

The conceptual error in fixes for "containing a blow-out" is failing to address BOTH the information model AND the physical system.

6 Dec 2011

745

A strategic error in fixes for "containing a blow-out" is doing it to raise the pressure at which rupture will occur; band-aids for a bomb!

6 Dec 2011

744

"Fixers" assure us "it will never happen again", followed by ever bigger and bigger financial crises, nature's way of marking our exam.

6 Dec 2011

743

@Adbusters Oh gosh no. The "long night of the left" won't *never* end, as long at it's a static social philosophy not a discovery process.

6 Dec 2011

742

Lnkd.in/VVfeA6 Elenor, You mention Brazil as a success story. If you recall our own economy had a quite long run of "lifting all...

5 Dec 2011

741

lnkd.in/i-rQ73 Elad, I sympathize with your difficulty in understanding the physics, and what happens at the natural limits of...

5 Dec 2011

740

Lnkd.in/k9HfSu Well, but is the defensiveness of social networks that find themselves under attack "natural" or just a "symptom"....

5 Dec 2011

739

#FiatCurrency helps multiply unreal promises of wealth and earnings. Which #feedback loops do do that, and what rules would eliminate them?

5 Dec 2011

738

Looking for better promises of wealth, we are confused by procedures offering reliable #feedback for "promises just too good to be true".

5 Dec 2011

737

After centuries of financial panics, our fixes still rely on promises "too good to be true", causing greater panics. synapse9.com/signals/2011/1…

5 Dec 2011

736

We haven't pinned down why our accounts for wealth create illusory wealth, so our faith based procedures still let bad faith multiply.

5 Dec 2011

735

One reason we keep talking past each other, is mostly assuming our opinions are reality, since we determine reality from our opinions... ;-)

4 Dec 2011

734

Lnkd.in/pHQhEw I hope we don't drop the discussion of which particular financial procedures make stabilizing our financial system...

4 Dec 2011

733

Quite oddly most NON-INTELLECTUALS think using up depleting resources ever faster for prosperity is a **very bad plan**, but not "EXPERTS".

4 Dec 2011

732

Could it be "leading experts" all draw the world "inside out", the earth as an idea projected from their thought, and so deny all reality?

4 Dec 2011

731

Why is it even so rare for INTELLECTUALS go beyond just harping from private points of view, on the obvious singular calamity of our time?

4 Dec 2011

730

Why is SCIENCE (or the PRESS, or BUSINESS, or the PUBLIC) so SILENT ON EVER EXPANDING use of the earth changing how we can use it??

4 Dec 2011

 

729

That intellects draw reality as projected by their minds is made whole again, experiencing back and forth, mind as projected by nature too.

Dec 4 2011

728

#Intellectuals are nearly ALL fooled, really, by "slowing down the speeding up" having BOTH THE DIRECT AND REVERSE EFFECTS of "addition".

Dec 4 2011

727

Quite oddly most NON-INTELLECTUALS think using up depleting resources ever faster for prosperity is a **very bad plan**, but not "EXPERTS".

Dec 4  2011

726

Could it be "leading experts" all draw the world "inside out", the earth as an idea projected from their thought, and so deny all reality?

 Dec 4  2011

725

Why is it even so rare for INTELLECTUALS go beyond just harping from private points of view, on the obvious singular calamity of our time?

 Dec 4 2011

724

Why is SCIENCE (or the PRESS, or BUSINESS, or the PUBLIC) so SILENT ON EVER EXPANDING use of the earth changing how we can use it??

 Dec 4 2011

723

So, if #FiatCurrency multiplies money and debt in all the wrong hands, which links on its #feedback loops do you hook up some where else?

 Dec 3 2011

722

@CapInstitute Sounds like an interesting opportunity,... but Bluestockings, 172 Allen St. is a trek, far lower East Side..