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Jessie Henshaw

Blog Reading Nature’s Signals & Research archive Synapse9.com,

 

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When I had time, some related series of tweets grouped by order color

and more important systems principles highlighted  

 

1776

@moraldna @zoeolsberg @designcouncil @BarbaraKimmel @RogerSteare The bigger true ways to biomimic tomorrow - http://www.synapse9.com/signals/

14 Sep, 2012

1775

Science has an ODD way of studying the eventful systems of nature, making up uneventful theories to represent them... as being OUR ideas!!

14 Sep, 2012

1774

The problem with #Earth #Dashboards is not treating the economy as a living system taking off, needing a soft landing. http://www.synapse9.com/4YG/DashboardDoc1.htm

13 Sep, 2012

1773

@VenessaMiemis Then why "bad games" with good rules too, like "king on the mountain" as competing wealth, to just inch ahead as the goal.

12 Sep, 2012

1772

@VenessaMiemis Open systems can't "be controlled", but growth occurs when a seed of organization takes control of its own future.

12 Sep, 2012

1771

@VenessaMiemis Or... the structure of nature are in movement, like growth and its resolution in new partnerships, always in development.

12 Sep, 2012

1770

It seems far more men than women, and all 'experts', just use words abstractly, and not for the relations and things in nature referred to.

12 Sep, 2012

1769

@STWR_ @truthout How finance must reverse directions for us to survive, is like endowment funds do, from self-inflation to true service.

12 Sep, 2012

1768

@STWR_ @truthout The end of growth allows re-localization.. but needs finance to change direction to survive. http://synapse9.com/signals/category/whattodo/

12 Sep, 2012

1767

Following #911, we've still not begun to face how our economic growth is also an ever expanding intrusion in other peoples' lives.

12 Sep, 2012

1766

http://lnkd.in/iubVJz  T.A. - how would you test that idea, that nothing singular can exist without something else to recognize it?

9 Sep, 2012

1765

#Romney didn't see #Obama as having any new plan for the economy... because it was for us to all work together.

7 Sep, 2012

1764

BOTH SIDES speak like politics, not markets steer events... so they HAVE NO IDEA why things are really happening. http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/09/04/principles-for-responding-to-overload/

7 Sep, 2012

1763

#DNC2012 The American dream in BTU's may or may not work, but the dream in heart seems clearly there to take!

6 Sep, 2012

1762

Wow #DNC, Brilliant people with such heart is sure better than ones with none, ESPECIALLY with both getting such bad advice on what to do!!

6 Sep, 2012

1761

Well, debate points aside, there's more to the macro-economic change than mentioned here. There's clearly a... http://read.bi/Odjuyn

6 Sep, 2012

1760

Well... William was certainly stunning wasn't he? What a guy!!

5 Sep, 2012

1759

http://lnkd.in/6xCMKs  Helene - Well, yes I’m saying nature doesn’t have “agency” as behavioral responses, but I’m NOT saying that only...

5 Sep, 2012

1758

http://lnkd.in/xD5TCm  Helene - P.S. It seems I didn't ask what "stocks and flows" you have been taking an interest in recently. You've...

5 Sep, 2012

1757

You don't grow the economy if computers take the jobs. #Inequity builds until investors making the profit spend it hiring people.

5 Sep, 2012

1756

#DNC #Inequity^2 = Computers taking work from people to leave no buyer for the goods, if investors growing their profits don't spend too!

5 Sep, 2012

1755

Funny thing about technology, if investing in computers makes all the money, investing in jobs for people doesn't... http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2010/12/24/complexity-too-great-to-follow/

5 Sep, 2012

1754

http://lnkd.in/5PcB4b  Ron - Thanks so much. It's taken many years of coaxing the data and the reasoning to start being able to convey...

4 Sep, 2012

1753

http://lnkd.in/xVFEwF  karthikeyan - I'm having difficulty parsing your prose. Like, what do you mean by saying "As I understand all...

4 Sep, 2012

1752

http://lnkd.in/smMsZc  Ferenc - Thanks for that link, a great lead-in for my comment: I think the question is quite relevant, and in...

4 Sep, 2012

1751

http://lnkd.in/7d5Q2g  karthikeyan - I looked at that article in Nature, and found it (no surprise) to exemplify how to completely remove...

4 Sep, 2012

1750

http://lnkd.in/qMUqqh  Helene - Yes, that search tool is cool, a great beginning, but still cant' handle multiple criteria, like [time...

4 Sep, 2012

1749

@demconvention2012 If the republican economy plan failed so grandly, why is it back? Why didn't they retreat and think of something new???

4 Sep, 2012

1748

http://lnkd.in/e7c2dA  Well... another piece of "commons sense" might be that from the view of economics, "the commons" would be the...

3 Sep, 2012

1747

If the money for politics since 2008 had been put into educating people on real sustainability, we'd have made the turn by now.

3 Sep, 2012

1746

http://lnkd.in/STS2jG  Gene & Helene - Unfortunately that video on the economic crisis is highly misguided. The problem description is...

3 Sep, 2012

1745

http://lnkd.in/kzkYiu  Helene - Having a variety of indicators, is certainly useful, but there are literally dozens of very large...

2 Sep, 2012

1744

http://lnkd.in/mJRp4k  How about using the architecture of development and decline? It seems to be a necessity of energy conservation,...

2 Sep, 2012

1743

#GOP2012 Now to choose between *the party of boastful ignorance* and *the party of ignorant boasts* what more do we need to know??

31 Aug, 2012

1742

#GOP2012 How CAN you "face the hard choices" and "not duck your founding principles" and ignore science and the earth???

30 Aug, 2012

1741

#GOP2012 ... things often topple just when they're "most dynamic", at a peak of excitement for things that won't work.

29 Aug, 2012

1740

#GOP2012 Cultural problems don't have military or financial solutions... more likely have military and financial causes.

29 Aug, 2012

1739

#GOP2012 Unleashing capitalism is great, if it weren't what has not been working for us, and ignoring the tough choices about the earth.

29 Aug, 2012

1738

#GOP2012 -- you can't be masters of your own destiny if you're making it all up... the physical world will talk back anyway.

28 Aug, 2012

1737

#GOP2012 what would a child in the womb do, and its mother too, if the child refused to acknowledge its limits to explosive growth???

28 Aug, 2012

1736

#GOP2012 real leaders change polls by push polling if they got the dough$$$

28 Aug, 2012

1735

#GOP2012 cheap answers won't please mother nature.... nope!

28 Aug, 2012

1734

There realities the #conparty conveniently neglects, the necessities require transitions, not belligerence, insight not ideology.

28 Aug, 2012

1733

There they go again, blaming others for their greatest faults, deceiving with cheap reasoning and easy escapes, the #conparty as high art!

28 Aug, 2012

1732

Barack's "leading from behind" isn't exciting. But not #GOP2012, "leading with their behinds", backing into the future seeking the past!!

28 Aug, 2012

1731

Do you really expect, giving the rich more and more money will raise all boats... when for the last 40 years it has only done the opposite??

27 Aug, 2012

1730

Why maximize deception for just rhetorical effect?? Fantasy policies without a chance of working just favor mayhem.

27 Aug, 2012

1729

http://lnkd.in/93y29w  Helene – Thanks for the reminder. Here are some principles for detecting and responding to the inflection point....

26 Aug, 2012

1728

So... #Romney and many 1%'ers pay their US taxes, but mostly to offshore shelters that... *pay them back*! Wouldn't YOU like to do that?!

24 Aug, 2012

1727

Republicans worry about the top of the wheel, the Democrats, the bottom, as it goes round and round heading over the cliff.

21 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/dE-KUb  I think it may be easier to define the reverse, what is "simply practicing self-deception". I think that refers to...

19 Aug, 2012

1725

http://lnkd.in/ipXQzf  Lewis - Yes, it takes a little digging to discover the simple way product markets and money circulation are...

19 Aug, 2012

1724

http://lnkd.in/wvpA3q  Landis - You made two rather critical comments, that to me don't seem to fit anything I might have meant to say....

18 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/MdCyZt  Landis - You made two rather critical comments, that to me don't seem to fit anything I might have meant to say....

18 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/3XXfPk  Ferenc - I think Vedran Vuk had a good perspective on systems that get "too big.. not to fail". His is similar...

18 Aug, 2012

1721

http://lnkd.in/ccrZJE  Jessie Henshaw • Ferenc - Still, if I'm right that searching for what makes sense to you in nature leave you...

18 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/fYWzX6  Ferenc - Still, if I'm right it would explain why our society has a blind spot in what it searches for, and is...

18 Aug, 2012

1719

An old lady can feel comfortable telling young boys what idiots they are. It's using your seed to multiply your seed destroying the world.

18 Aug, 2012

1718

In a mind infatuated with itself, belief becomes more than dangerous, lost in creating little cancers to celebrate it all over.

18 Aug, 2012

1717

To really help people in a lasting way, teach them to study the eventfulness of natural change in "how things work", boom to ahh.

18 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/VhR7jX  Ferenc - Thanks. The designs of your friend are marvelous. We have a ways to go on core ontology perhaps. You...

17 Aug, 2012

1715

http://lnkd.in/aM4vkB  Ferenc - Well, as a mode of existence "search for a match" is selectively filtering what's around you to locate...

17 Aug, 2012

1714

http://lnkd.in/H2mv8g  Ferenc – In saying “numbers are learnt by rote learning, by making simple associations” you are still defining...

17 Aug, 2012

1713

http://lnkd.in/ue5n5W  An old woman has certain freedoms that others don't, the ability to speak from an overview of the things, to be...

17 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/a5xzWk  T.A. - Actually, I think it's the reverse, that we can't possibly resolve what was really happening in the past...

17 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/nvG8HE  Ferenc - Your take on my "compact ontology" as described by "what we see in our minds isn't real, what we're...

17 Aug, 2012

1710

Why smart winners hold back from destroying losers is NOT GUILT, but that it's how the game survives.

17 Aug, 2012

1709

Racism? Well, "unshackled" business greed IS where slavery came from, and what kept it alive for so long.

17 Aug, 2012

1708

http://lnkd.in/Pjx36c  T.A. - You liked my way of saying the reason "life is so lively" comes in good part from nature being a "bomb...

16 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/-rCZ5q  Helene - Looking for a "lean core ontology"?? How about "what we see in our minds isn't real, what we're looking...

16 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/ZiY5hs  Ferenc - Thanks for asking me to be more specific. I do often try to be more specific, but am still looking for...

16 Aug, 2012

1705

http://lnkd.in/YE2aBK  Ron - ... I suppose you mean by "right where we are now" to mean something like "having everyone enjoying...

16 Aug, 2012

1704

Did "benefits of doubt" + "politically correct" become "general proof of the ridiculous?" Is liberalized theft really economic growth?

16 Aug, 2012

1703

http://lnkd.in/FNgh6J  Ferenc & Thorbjoern: Doesn't the phrase "what we should do" pertain to change over time, and so to "beginning,...

15 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Yuq29f  Ferenc - I really liked your list of basic principles, though I might phrase some differently. I got a good laugh...

14 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/qgcmMB  Angela - Of course, in saying "Nature's problem with us doesn't actually have to do with our social values...", I...

14 Aug, 2012

1700

In my #keynote I'll first reveal where we'll get the 8 more earths of natural resources needed to grow the economy for the next 100 years.

14 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/h4ZVt9  Angela & T.A. - Well, I don't know everything, but I'm one of those scientists, giving out lots of very solid...

13 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/UDG4dt  What if all agree on the ideology to have, but nature still doesn't seem to respond? (i.e. the original problem of...

13 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/4jrEer  OK, but then when you look at the history of how we got here, it usually doesn't tell people what to do, but to...

13 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/aqkmKQ  fyi - I updated my graph showing why the "trickle down" effect ended causing extreme inequality to develop....

12 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/afFdmD  Duane - To be able to identify memes as natural phenomena, and find the context and the network giving them...

12 Aug, 2012

1694

http://lnkd.in/QrRBkH  John - There's a another way to avoid the main problems with: "Theories are a system with elements that model a...

12 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/6RnbP9  Neil - That's essentially the same point I've been trying to make for some time, applied to the overreach of...

12 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/w3pNNn  Lewis - I wasn't saying it was limits of our logic that serve to lead us to misrepresent nature, but our failure to...

10 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/CDiqge  David – I would interpret your saying that “this virtual dimension is as real as the actual”, to mean just as real...

10 Aug, 2012

1690

http://lnkd.in/reFdii  Harlan - Maybe I should have said "one dimensional" rather than "2D", to describe how much "flatter" the complexity...

10 Aug, 2012

1689

http://lnkd.in/iU9Y-N  Lewis - I do realize that the scientists studying chaos theory do generally think it's a reasonable general mode of...

10 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/4rTerZ  All - I think it's also important to look at “systems thinking” and “complexity and chaos theory” as quite...

9 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/wqKV4K  Lewis - I think you make a good point, but perhaps it again points to the limited ability of logic to define any...

9 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/KNAF5S  Bill – Thanks so much for your interest. I too have time demands and meetings to prepare for and recover from,...

9 Aug, 2012

1685

http://lnkd.in/6jsZn5  Jack – The relation to my work of things like the agile and flexible computing grids the UK physicists are building...

9 Aug, 2012

1684

http://lnkd.in/iicU2W  Jack & Fabian – It might sound a bit odd, but I don’t see why someone couldn’t develop a connection between jazz...

9 Aug, 2012

1683

http://lnkd.in/YhBqf2  David - That's so nice to hear, that focus on "ways to let the phenomena of nature simply speak directly for...

9 Aug, 2012

1682

http://lnkd.in/k6XZT3  David - I looked at your paper on Complexity and Philosophy and briefly scanned things on the web for Gille...

7 Aug, 2012

1681

http://lnkd.in/TuwC2V  Lewis - sorry if the "main problem" reference wasn't clear. I've also mentioned it on other threads and sometimes...

7 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/gFK4HY  David - The observations to make are of where nature is building new ways of "connecting the dots", so you locate...

7 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/P7fEwT  David - The observations to make are of where nature is building new ways of "connecting the dots", so you locate...

7 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/p-ZHuR  John, You say "we currently don't capture these undefinable, difficult to measure assets or asset analogs. I don't...

7 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/YNC5GP  Lewis – If you look at how nature does it, she’s somehow completely avoiding your principle, stated as: “I don't...

6 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/dKX6XE  John, Sorry, I figured readers would understand what I was talking about, a bad assumption much of the time, even...

6 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/asiSHK  Lewis – Yes, that’s another excellent way to say it, “at some level, the way to fix a system is not to address the...

6 Aug, 2012

1674

http://lnkd.in/ukc72T  Walter, Oh I'd agree that the conscious mind does not constrain the subconscious mind. What I meant to say was...

6 Aug, 2012

1673

http://lnkd.in/NaqzxY  Harlan, In calling ST and SD as 2 dimensional, I was thinking about the diagrams that people think of to explain...

6 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/wB-ivg  Is it getting through that raising the main physical problem we face just stimulates people to talk about something...

6 Aug, 2012

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@richardheinberg "Mr Daly, It's great you're now focusing on whole system profitability. The earliest strong…" http://disq.us/8bd0me

6 Aug, 2012

1670

In reality it's what we're succeeding at that's responsible for our failures, maintaining comfort depleting the earth and games of finance.

6 Aug, 2012

1669

Our economic failure shows in politics, with the rich not trying to make money creating jobs, but buying politicians to remove regulations.

6 Aug, 2012

1668

http://lnkd.in/932Ryg  John, Well, sometimes it's important to realize that you're not counting something just because you don't know...

6 Aug, 2012

1667

http://lnkd.in/-mGgQD  There are two meanings to"I've never heard of a service being an asset." Services are considered as assets all the...

6 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/s5YrPu  Walter, When we refer to the subconscious mind, all we come up with is filtered through the conscious one......

6 Aug, 2012

1665

http://lnkd.in/EMDbjg  Walter, I’m not asking if you *believe* that our brains can generate original knowledge. I’m asking if you...

6 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/iuFGne  Walter - That sounds coherent, for the usual "perceived reality" for the world of abstract thinking. There are...

5 Aug, 2012

1663

http://lnkd.in/NbC8GF  John - Regarding your idea to finance government with a flat assets tax, and question "What unintended consequences...

5 Aug, 2012

1662

http://lnkd.in/FVK7xy  Hmm... Looking for aliens seems not worth 44 minutes, unless you can suggest how it helps us look for systems that...

5 Aug, 2012

1661

http://lnkd.in/8bNyNk  Walter - Ah, yes, "how can we define reality outside our minds? " is the question that first comes up when it's...

5 Aug, 2012

1660

http://lnkd.in/kcz-my  Doesn't the healthcare issue provide an excellent example of our mental confusion by systems, like how it's really...

5 Aug, 2012

1659

http://lnkd.in/rxVd2b  Thanks a lot Barry. It does take mulling over new ideas for research methods, to discover one's own way of using...

5 Aug, 2012

1658

http://lnkd.in/MNaB8c  It's surprising to see this group seem to get to the point, with " Does anyone agree that systems thinking,...

4 Aug, 2012

1657

http://lnkd.in/YyQfPq  Lewis - The question of how to interest kids in thinking critically is a perennial question for skilled teachers....

4 Aug, 2012

1656

http://lnkd.in/q9_62C  neil - Well, there are indeed "wicked problems" in the area of "wicked misinformation" that the links you offered...

4 Aug, 2012

1655

Our basic cultural problem is STILL ignoring other cultures, expecting to squeeze them for our ever growing unearned incomes...

4 Aug, 2012

1654

Why do we live in a tea cup?? Cultural mavens almost show interest the relation of their culture to others.., or to the earth's...!

4 Aug, 2012

1653

http://lnkd.in/tCWXMt  Lewis - If you see "the tail wagging the dogma" as a natural byproduct of people's educations falling ever further...

3 Aug, 2012

1652

http://lnkd.in/eHGvSS  Bill - You're right that ST starts as an idea of how to represent real complex systems in a mental model. So,...

3 Aug, 2012

1651

http://lnkd.in/ZrD6aX  Perhaps a simpler to say: The fix for the mainstream economy being overlooked is the principle, “don’t go too far”....

3 Aug, 2012

1650

http://lnkd.in/5EkJnm  Perhaps a simpler way to state the fix for the mainstream economy we’re overlooking the need for is the principle,...

3 Aug, 2012

1649

http://lnkd.in/iGiRpU  I think we all need to expand our thinking about what Fiona mentioned, that education is always teaching old...

3 Aug, 2012

1648

Games like "Wall Street", of multiplying speed and complexity, naturally go out of control. The physics to fix it is giving back the money.

3 Aug, 2012

1647

Yea, "Wall Street" is a gigantic game of mutual pick-pocket, that took all the money on earth. Way out is to say "Sorry" and give it back.

3 Aug, 2012

1646

http://lnkd.in/eHWr-V  David - On productivity, one has to balance one's intellectual definitions for things, for our abstract worlds of...

2 Aug, 2012

1645

http://lnkd.in/WA7WMY  Ron – Thanks for your interest. By “natural boundary” I mean both the boundary of a system in nature someone would...

2 Aug, 2012

1644

http://lnkd.in/aEyq4i  Ken & Lewis - Isn't there a lot more variation in what people think money is or should be, than in how it's...

2 Aug, 2012

1643

http://lnkd.in/4atsFv  Thorbjoern – Wouldn’t the downfall of the alternative “in the cracks” approach worry you, that by staying “in the...

2 Aug, 2012

1642

http://lnkd.in/PZXXjm  David - Have you had a chance to think about how to identify the natural limits for any kind of productivity, and...

2 Aug, 2012

1641

http://lnkd.in/bYQqB7  Ron - There's an especially interesting aspect to defining the "boundary setters", that to non-participants the...

2 Aug, 2012

1640

http://lnkd.in/kgVGY8  Helene - I think we need a better way to say “positive impact” because of all the “positive impact strategies”...

2 Aug, 2012

1639

http://lnkd.in/54NMDx  The real question is what causes resilient systems to become unstable, not who is destabilizing them. That misses...

2 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/b5942e  Neil – The symptoms you mentioned do seem like signs of our general “disease”. I could add various other kinds of...

2 Aug, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/J5-um6  Bill & Neil – I do appreciate you listening, really! It’s a privilege. I tend to agree "something big" is in...

1 Aug, 2012

1636

http://lnkd.in/EerAiK  Neil - Where natural systems thinking connects with that is observing that while universes need "space, matter and...

1 Aug, 2012

1635

http://lnkd.in/rvPE_S  Bill - Thanks so much for the compliment. If you think of nature as exemplifying the features of openness it's...

1 Aug, 2012

1634

http://lnkd.in/meX26X  Fred - I'm afraid we look at the world differently. Your assertions are basically fine when considering the world...

1 Aug, 2012

1633

http://lnkd.in/BUSDxD  Neil - Yes I saw some animation of a crank growing in scale. I noticed the "free scale" design of it. I didn’t...

31 Jul, 2012

1632

http://lnkd.in/i-yJt9  Gene - Another take off point from how you raise the question is the statement of some frustration it includes, I...

31 Jul, 2012

1631

http://lnkd.in/ZdMgpR  Neil – The networked “mind map” tool ‘Nibipedia’ seems interesting, for connecting the networks of your own...

31 Jul, 2012

1630

http://lnkd.in/FCHYi2  Ron - You're speaking of the whole world of industries and professionally operated business, financial and...

30 Jul, 2012

1629

http://lnkd.in/TMZvie  David - You're right, I didn't really appreciate your intended use of productivity to discuss systems thinking...

30 Jul, 2012

1628

http://lnkd.in/bfKBPT  Jack, there's nothing to discuss. I'm an actual scientist, you know. You can't bullshit me.

30 Jul, 2012

1627

http://lnkd.in/yKWqBc  Dennis & Fred - What seems amazing to not find discussed in books about societal change is how our standard model...

30 Jul, 2012

1626

http://lnkd.in/4BkxDh  Ron - A quite important part of the systems science, discussed in that article, is that there needs to be a new...

30 Jul, 2012

1625

http://lnkd.in/kDZ6Bi  David - on the fine points of productivity, you should look at how increasing productivity also naturally becomes...

30 Jul, 2012

1624

http://lnkd.in/zqdK7G  Jack - I was just honestly responding to your series of statements beginning with "+ Global warming? Has happened...

30 Jul, 2012

1623

http://lnkd.in/FU8D9F  Jack - What's with this wave of comments going off the deep end here? If reality is just a theory, can't a...

29 Jul, 2012

1622

http://lnkd.in/qe7ezV  E.L. - Education is a decision too, isn't it? I still don't get what you're saying. Why would you not take an...

29 Jul, 2012

1621

http://lnkd.in/jJAs8S  E.L. - So if community recognition that our rules for money need to change to allow our collective desire to keep...

29 Jul, 2012

1620

http://lnkd.in/J9m2vW  E.L. - Wouldn't it be better for social networks to spread the idea that it's insulting to have to live in an...

28 Jul, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/pF9XaB  Well, there IS a distinction between getting the scale of effects right and being precise about mistaken scales of...

28 Jul, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/6QfVX5  E.L. - What I'm hearing is an idea that voluntary conservation by individuals will spread to voluntary...

28 Jul, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/tjxb5t  Bob, you don't use science, but "seems", to determine the behavior of you want everyone else to respond to. That...

28 Jul, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/fz42Uf  E.L. – I’d agree to the general idea that setting targets for things can be a lot of wild guesswork, and a waste...

28 Jul, 2012

1615

http://lnkd.in/e26_ff  Dennis - "...people everywhere will scratch and fight for change and growth until their governments provide them at...

28 Jul, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/aA2ZmU  Stuart - I like that, that trying to figure things out can keep you from watching for what you need to notice....

28 Jul, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/h9G_N2  Bob - In feedback systems cause and effect often amplify each other. They commonly produce "runaway change" that...

28 Jul, 2012

1612

http://lnkd.in/v3tHua  Landis - Yes I think you're right, "There is no principle of conservation of complexity [or organization and...

28 Jul, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/9X2j3c  Jack - Thanks very much for the compliment, about my being effective in bringing out a discussable "wicked problem"...

27 Jul, 2012

1610

http://lnkd.in/mcjVqu  It seems the conversation is not yet factoring in the physical evidence the world economy hit effective "peak...

27 Jul, 2012

1609

http://lnkd.in/buRadU  Jack - Thanks for mentioning IBIS and the link to Robert Rosen. I don't see the relationship yet, but maybe the...

27 Jul, 2012

1608

http://lnkd.in/PQrqBV  Bill - I agree the tendency in science and in systems thinking is to portray mental systems of thinking as bringing...

27 Jul, 2012

1607

http://lnkd.in/KEi_eK  Fabian - Actually I'm suggesting that these are questions that expose a new problem, and lead to a quite well...

26 Jul, 2012

1606

http://lnkd.in/j3kqxF  Fabian - Well, that would be studying models for mathematical rules, not natural systems, wouldn't it? To study...

26 Jul, 2012

1605

http://lnkd.in/8fRPaJ  Ron, I guess I was trying to be funny, perhaps inappropriately, and could have been more sympathetic if what you...

26 Jul, 2012

1604

http://lnkd.in/VHXFTP  Ron - Well, yes, a matter of not being "so shocked, shocked, shocked..." that surprisingly new things come up, from...

26 Jul, 2012

1603

http://lnkd.in/R_UM2C  There are a few problems I'm trying to raise with this. One is the scientific difficulty of studying things you...

26 Jul, 2012

1602

Could we study systems that invent their own theories?: http://lnkd.in/6Xmtim

26 Jul, 2012

1601

http://lnkd.in/EUf4_A  E.L. – I’m certainly in favor of taking an “all options” approach, so long as it’s not the special “all options”...

25 Jul, 2012

1600

http://lnkd.in/6q-ANH  Dr. van Wyk – You say, and I agree in general, “The move then needs be from reductionistic thinking to holistic...

25 Jul, 2012

1599

http://lnkd.in/nD5g4U  Dr. van Wyk - I regretted mentioning that critical U-tube piece on Smuts, in the casual way I did, and not...

25 Jul, 2012

1598

http://lnkd.in/EhB88n  E.L. - Oh... I don't really want to get too specific, because it would mean airing the dirty laundry of people I'm...

24 Jul, 2012

1597

http://lnkd.in/F582jS  John, No doubt current common interpretation of "fiduciary duty" is to completely detach “making of money” from...

24 Jul, 2012

1596

http://lnkd.in/Hve7WB  E.L. - Well, there are both sides to the organization of ecologies. There is how their parts work by themselves,...

24 Jul, 2012

1595

http://lnkd.in/jss2Ba  E.L. - I quite sympathize with your "I have a penchant for the bottom-up structures. -down structures invariably...

24 Jul, 2012

1594

http://lnkd.in/vVaKVg  E.L. - I quite sympathize with your "I have a penchant for the bottom-up structures. -down structures invariably...

24 Jul, 2012

1593

http://lnkd.in/YNZ4Zp  Barry, I think my approach effectively serves to "implement a world that would not violate Luc's Law." It's to...

24 Jul, 2012

1592

http://lnkd.in/UEez8w  E.L. - Just to see if you got your answer, to your asking: "But this leads me back to the same question I keep...

23 Jul, 2012

1591

http://lnkd.in/66XvsY  E.L. - Just to see if you got your answer, to your asking: "But this leads me back to the same question I keep...

23 Jul, 2012

1590

http://lnkd.in/eKhntV  E.L. - I your post this AM where you say "I was simply responding to Jessie's outline, wherein she states, "Then...

23 Jul, 2012

1589

http://lnkd.in/tyCTMt  John - You asked if a fiduciary managed the investments of others in a reliable wealth producing strategy, until...

23 Jul, 2012

1588

http://lnkd.in/nQecBW  E.L - You don't need any persuasion to convince me that unless people learn that they live in a physical world and...

23 Jul, 2012

1587

http://lnkd.in/3MTy7v  T.A. – You say "It is only Industrial Humans that have alienated themselves from nature." I do love many of the...

23 Jul, 2012

1586

http://lnkd.in/zjY4Ts  Helene - Why this thread does not seem to have established common objectives is certainly an interesting question....

23 Jul, 2012

1585

http://lnkd.in/adwGmx  Helene – Hmm… you say in response to my saying “negative externalities ..largely come from over extending positive...

21 Jul, 2012

1584

http://lnkd.in/Unnv5P  Helene - I'm actually not an expert in semantics, though I labor over it quite a bit. I find that what matters is...

21 Jul, 2012

1583

http://lnkd.in/QBP3E4  E.L. - You asked if "positive feedback streams will always emerge? Or that they will always be recognized as such...

21 Jul, 2012

1582

http://lnkd.in/pjHV49  Helene - Oh, sure, I totally agree on principle that we should treat “people’s treaties”, like anything else, to...

21 Jul, 2012

1581

http://lnkd.in/EA7vJh  T.A. & Thorbjoern - T.A. said "This discussion will keep going nowhere as long as we do not have a clear and simple...

21 Jul, 2012

1580

http://lnkd.in/AxGv7a  Thorbjoern Yea... anyone can create elaborate ways to avoid having a conversation. Just focusing on the...

20 Jul, 2012

1579

http://lnkd.in/NdCZAm  E.L - Yes, it would help to think of "steering point" as referring to a potential for controlling the direction of...

20 Jul, 2012

1578

http://lnkd.in/bVdQCh  Lewis -... When I said: "I don't think it's a "duhh.." moment to realize that the systems you're modeling may be...

20 Jul, 2012

1577

http://lnkd.in/wNajHq  Mary - the term "treaty" isn't mine, but from the Commons Action Group's work Helene was referring to....

20 Jul, 2012

1576

http://lnkd.in/kyJey5  Thorbjoern - It's confusing for me to try responding when you start by saying "I have not made such an...

20 Jul, 2012

1575

http://lnkd.in/S-5hkP  Helene - Maybe Thorbjoern's "trumpeting" thing is about promoting ideal values and ends without some path or...

20 Jul, 2012

1574

There are benefits of needing 8 earths of resources in the next century, all the new places to go, extra summers to wear my pretty clothes!

20 Jul, 2012

1573

http://lnkd.in/mEkJ87  Helene – My hesitation to contributing to Rob Wheeler’s work is his lack of response to me. I expect as for most,...

20 Jul, 2012

1572

http://lnkd.in/WYfmd4  Thorbjoern – I’m quite pleased you’re referencing practical methods of science, but the example you used for why...

20 Jul, 2012

1571

Urgent calls to "do something" bet that political will can overrule the power of money, but don't solve that problem. http://www.climatecodered.org/2012/07/post-carbon-postcard2-new-york-city.html?showComment=1342795839899#c8165815585880360526

20 Jul, 2012

1570

It leaves us is in a culture overloaded with critical choices, using knowledge made much more of holes than cheese. http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/02/05/is-your-map-helping-you-read-the-territory/

19 Jul, 2012

1569

It's also wrong to think people even see what their choices are, so much of their learning is hearsay not observation.

19 Jul, 2012

1568

It's wrong to think people make choices by their moral values, as whatever their values they mostly get overruled by their learning.

19 Jul, 2012

1567

http://lnkd.in/xh_tvh  Thorbjoern - You've made general statements like "But the persistent avoidance of discussion of certain problematic...

19 Jul, 2012

1566

http://lnkd.in/2PcjeV  Barry - the story of "Stafford and Georgie" who struggled over how to control an uncontrollably big institution is...

19 Jul, 2012

1565

http://lnkd.in/dmZY_v  E.L. - I think observing what does steer the direction of something else is cybernetics, and doesn’t say that...

19 Jul, 2012

1564

http://lnkd.in/33r3GU  Lewis -... I don't think it's a "duhh.." moment to realize that the systems you're modeling may be fundamentally...

19 Jul, 2012

1563

http://lnkd.in/ygbMd4  T.A. - OK, but for organizations to develop they need some kind of seed of organization and a fossil resource, like...

19 Jul, 2012

1562

http://lnkd.in/k7MpA6  Mary - That's a very nice description, of how commons based (neighborhood) institutions do often develop from the...

19 Jul, 2012

1561

http://lnkd.in/B9B4R9  Dr. van Wyk - That's a fascinating association, between my reference to "yielding to the whole" and the great...

19 Jul, 2012

1560

http://lnkd.in/p8p7dh  I think how I get lost in discussing "the commons" as a model for reorganizing the world is that everyone has a...

19 Jul, 2012

1559

http://lnkd.in/XrDAcb  T.A. - Maybe I should have said "evocative" rather than nice sounding. I'm really saying what will define the...

19 Jul, 2012

1558

Everyone gets a kind of ADHD as finance drives growth to keep multiplying its profits with our tasks, our "big fun" turning into disaster.

19 Jul, 2012

1557

Would it be better for the rich to build monuments to themselves, like the Pharaohs, and stop taking our profits? http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/07/07/astoundingly-expensive-arts-and-crafts/

19 Jul, 2012

1556

http://lnkd.in/SV6a5i  T.A. – I think nice sounding concept statements are great for cover pages, in titles and in side bars, but the meat...

18 Jul, 2012

1555

http://lnkd.in/KxH2wb  Ferenc - if you say "none of the future scenarios seem to give up the idea of economizing, which translates to...

18 Jul, 2012

1554

http://lnkd.in/EHtxat  Gene - I'd offer the discipline of maintaining clear distinctions between your mental systems and the material...

18 Jul, 2012

1553

http://lnkd.in/eqp2nN  E.L. & John - You were quoted by John saying "I think I agree with decentralization as a way of encouraging...

18 Jul, 2012

1552

http://lnkd.in/Y8ZEmR  Barry - I love your "I "violently agree" with the point about playing with assumptions." and comment that "this...

18 Jul, 2012

1551

http://lnkd.in/zwcvdE  Paul - It strikes me that many systems paradigms differ in the kind of "shapshot/video" from the environment they...

18 Jul, 2012

1550

http://lnkd.in/nXH-Ty  Barry, The approach you suggest for distinguishing between mental and material systems is more or less what I've...

18 Jul, 2012

1549

http://lnkd.in/DGmbFe  Ferenc - You say "if you believe in science, and the the energy laws, then clearly we are doomed anyway." seems as...

18 Jul, 2012

1548

http://lnkd.in/eJjEfZ  Patrick – Well to start from the end, you say what we have in common on this thread is “We want to live another...

18 Jul, 2012

1547

http://lnkd.in/M2NDHg  Ferenc – Yes, people learn from mistakes often enough, but generally not from having destroyed the environment...

18 Jul, 2012

1546

http://lnkd.in/cPMZGW  Patrick - The problem Sir Ken Robinson points to is how kids are overwhelmed by our being in the “most intensely...

17 Jul, 2012

1545

http://lnkd.in/nq5Et2  T.A. & Ferenc - Another thought on Louise Diamonds 12 rules of ST. My main reason for liking it was as first I’d...

17 Jul, 2012

1544

http://lnkd.in/Qbvdsg  Barry – It’s wonderful your post this AM showed my post yesterday finally got the issue straight, beginning “I find...

17 Jul, 2012

1543

http://lnkd.in/bC6Y4G  Barry, Thanks so much for “I really like your point ‘just imagine the system as searching for its most efficient...

17 Jul, 2012

1542

http://lnkd.in/cCJyVt  T.A. - I was applauding her principles too, in case that wasn't made clear. I was also intending to add what I...

16 Jul, 2012

1541

http://lnkd.in/ndc4mF  T.A. - I'd agree Diamond's 12 rules seem helpful for a general definition of conceptual systems. They seem to...

16 Jul, 2012

1540

http://lnkd.in/_3fm_g  Barry, I find distinguishing between judgments and the realities we’re judging can be very simple, though I agree...

16 Jul, 2012

1539

http://lnkd.in/ue7GEk  Ferenc - you asked in general: "Why do you expect to solve the problem by discarding such an age long wisdom of...

15 Jul, 2012

1538

http://lnkd.in/NQuAp4  Karen - You said: "I think Jessie's point is on target." phrasing it as "Shouldn't the team and/or manager insure...

15 Jul, 2012

1537

Conflict at the limits = turning the job of "the rich" from "leading" to "suppressing" others struggling to become comfortable.

15 Jul, 2012

1536

The still overlooked common link http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/79194/middle-class-destroying-future#comment-137934

15 Jul, 2012

1535

@cafreeland -"Too big to manage" is simple "sandpile physics" Keynes also knew, and defined the one answer for http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/07/07/astoundingly-expensive-arts-and-crafts/

15 Jul, 2012

1534

@Robert_Scheer -"Too big to manage" is simple "sandpile physics" Keynes also knew, and defined the one answer for http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/07/07/astoundingly-expensive-arts-and-crafts/

15 Jul, 2012

1533

@mattmillernow -"Too big to manage" is simple "sandpile physics" Keynes also knew, and defined the one answer for http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/07/07/astoundingly-expensive-arts-and-crafts/

15 Jul, 2012

1532

http://lnkd.in/d5K5Qk  E.L. - Well, it also takes growing up a bit for children playing games to realize that adults who are also watching...

14 Jul, 2012

1531

http://lnkd.in/B5AGCF  Doug - You're right that the basic scenario painted seems ideal for representing in a systems model. I've done it...

14 Jul, 2012

1530

http://lnkd.in/mm5wm9  Hanns-Jürgen - It's fascinating that you use slightly different words to describe just the same problem I did, but...

14 Jul, 2012

1529

http://lnkd.in/vPeeB3  Hanns-Jürgen - It's fascinating that you use slightly different words to describe just the same problem I did, but...

14 Jul, 2012

1528

http://lnkd.in/5GiJnE  E.L. - Not to be glib, but isn't it kind of apparent that if we're asking who's the grown up in the room, it's not...

13 Jul, 2012

1527

http://lnkd.in/Qt5J3m  E.L. - It seems an equally true observation "If history has taught us nothing else, it is that no government, no...

13 Jul, 2012

1526

http://lnkd.in/Vx9TMS  E.L. - I may have to agree with your "day late and dollar short" comment about your reply, if you were really...

13 Jul, 2012

1525

http://lnkd.in/HXAp7i  Barry, If we can say “let’s have two realities” so our use of words for definable and indefinable subjects can be...

13 Jul, 2012

1524

http://lnkd.in/9ZHvqs  Dwane & Barry My way of avoiding misjudging a system in nature is to remain curious about it as something I don't...

12 Jul, 2012

1523

http://lnkd.in/kSdwv8  There's still the possible new paradigm for steering the world I've been pointing to, that mimicking natural...

12 Jul, 2012

1522

http://lnkd.in/_TG3eU  Barry - I'd differ in a basic way with saying "Naming a thing does not define a system except in the loosest...

12 Jul, 2012

1521

http://lnkd.in/v2_VAM  Hanns-Jürgen - I think the basic logic of your view is sound, though not foreseeing the crisis, as a great many...

12 Jul, 2012

1520

http://lnkd.in/pdNtZQ  If your way of acknowledging that every model is incomplete is to realize that nature is not following it, wouldn't...

11 Jul, 2012

1519

http://lnkd.in/u6bfPk  E.L. - Thanks for asking, most people just let counter-intuitive statements go by unmentioned. I’m talking about...

11 Jul, 2012

1518

If your master plan is to "make money" replacing ever more jobs with ever fewer, ignoring the total, total job loss is expected.

11 Jul, 2012

1517

http://lnkd.in/KN2tKm  Lewis - In saying "But to my mind, it (a system) does that as a patterned process...a reflex built into the system...

10 Jul, 2012

1516

http://lnkd.in/_k9Vks  E.L. - Well of course I have lots of specific examples in mind, of solving problems by feeding self-reinforcing...

10 Jul, 2012

1515

http://lnkd.in/cdj5uf  Why wouldn't "Requisite Variety" say something about operational manuals or contingency plans. Isn't it also about...

10 Jul, 2012

1514

http://lnkd.in/45K_vT  E.L. - I don't disagree with you in the abstract, but design is about the practical. A person falling forward...

10 Jul, 2012

1513

http://lnkd.in/mUhHwv  John, Yes, Russian experiments in total control had problems not unlike our great experiment with limitlessly...

10 Jul, 2012

1512

http://lnkd.in/a6cMdf  E.L. - You quote me saying "it could actually be arranged to change the system to fix it permanently, so it never...

10 Jul, 2012

1511

http://lnkd.in/RcnkU9  Jack - you ask "if Nature is the third party then what are the other two? Seems to me that assets and pushers are...

10 Jul, 2012

1510

http://lnkd.in/SPpeeG  John - I liked your "ST is better than not ST in most situations. But nothing guarantees results - life goes on,...

10 Jul, 2012

1509

@POPTECH - the problem of multiplying solutions is solved by turning from self to societal investment, heal the world not grow your take.

10 Jul, 2012

1508

@POPTECH - it's not just error causing multiplying solutions to collide in multiplying problems, its exceeding the resilience of all parts.

10 Jul, 2012

1507

http://lnkd.in/ZxwEgT  Jack - I'm not actually intending to stretch a metaphor though it'll seem so, but to be literal, as there is an...

9 Jul, 2012

1506

http://lnkd.in/diY7by  Ken - My version of "the theory determines what we observe" is "We think of the world we see in our minds as the...

9 Jul, 2012

1505

http://lnkd.in/eiV9KA  Chandrashekar – "You say “It is important to highlight here "global suicide."” It’s so strange, that in the way...

9 Jul, 2012

1504

http://lnkd.in/UWY-V9  Patrick – To me the reason to study how the systems of a living environment have developed is indeed to see where...

9 Jul, 2012

1503

http://lnkd.in/-tMwPk  Jack - Those ratios are definitely among the more telling as the economy's productive assets are pushed to...

9 Jul, 2012

1502

http://lnkd.in/_9bA6F  E.L. – I think we’re saying the same thing, that it’s when investments in productive work don’t work, and the...

9 Jul, 2012

1501

http://lnkd.in/AThFWZ  E.L. – I think we’re saying the same thing, that it’s when investments in productive work doesn’t work, and the...

9 Jul, 2012

1500

http://lnkd.in/ME-ien  Kathrine - What you’re overlooking is that money is “information”. What makes it “real” is how people choose to...

9 Jul, 2012

1499

http://lnkd.in/Sq9aAa  Helene - cont... If you think of the Buddhist fable about the “six blind men” and the elephant, as “six blind...

9 Jul, 2012

1498

http://lnkd.in/Qy8eJH  Helene – The “adding solutions” or “multiplying solutions” till the solutions are the problem concerns the...

9 Jul, 2012

1497

http://lnkd.in/-jbVbp  Helene – The “adding solutions” or “multiplying solutions” till the solutions are the problem concerns the...

9 Jul, 2012

1496

http://lnkd.in/FAaUdh  Katherine - I certainly do understand your point of view, and as I said he is doing a beautiful job at the moment,...

8 Jul, 2012

1495

In a free market economy, terrible mistakes about guiding our future are caused by the popular choices made by the markets being deluded.

8 Jul, 2012

1494

Before it was the more resources we used the more we always found, now it's the more fights that always find us.

8 Jul, 2012

1493

http://lnkd.in/qd6Rcd  Katherine, You mention Chris Martinson. He has really upgraded his whole approach in the past year or so, but he’s...

8 Jul, 2012

1492

http://lnkd.in/hggjtK  John, You note the century long trend of increasing share of GDP for the costs of government. The Puzzle I have is...

8 Jul, 2012

1491

http://lnkd.in/2DuUNf  David - I don't understand LinkedIn... I seem to see entirely different posts on my email notices than on this...

8 Jul, 2012

1490

http://lnkd.in/MeZjyb  7/8/12 P.S. - Of course... by that comment I intend no pitch for dynasty... not even as a way for us to live at...

8 Jul, 2012

1489

When growing the parts grows conflict, the biomimicry is to switch their investment strategy to doing what's profitable for the whole.

7 Jul, 2012

1488

To keep the family circle unbroken, we only need to (take leave of our senses and) keep the master's circle ever growing

7 Jul, 2012

1487

Our rule for putting ever increasing demands on ourselves and the earth made us break our toy. Now do we get so upset and smash it?

7 Jul, 2012

1486

http://lnkd.in/xCmVcZ  Helene - The general principle I mentioned "So it's whatever businesses that use the term, and grow the fastest,...

7 Jul, 2012

1485

http://lnkd.in/C6wUz6  Helene – Well I think actually we may be saying much the same things, though it confused me to hear Kant would have...

7 Jul, 2012

1484

http://lnkd.in/48fUnc  T.A. & Duane – You concurred on T.A.’s “A system cannot be 'judged' or 'misjudged' - that's like equating the map...

7 Jul, 2012

1483

http://lnkd.in/i426Wc  I've never been quite clear what really distinguishes "right wing" from "left wing", in terms of perceptions and...

7 Jul, 2012

1482

@umairh @Calestous Right, and the general purpose of social networks is to educate themselves on dogma pleasing to everyone in the loop. ;-)

7 Jul, 2012

1481

If you take a task of stabilizing ever growing imbalances, others are ALWAYS to blame for causing your tasks collapse, but whose fault is t?

7 Jul, 2012

 

 

1480

http://lnkd.in/eAPxmT  Ken & Helene - One of the problems is that statements of purpose and theoretical models are not the same thing as...

6 Jul, 2012

1479

http://lnkd.in/Zep-dy  Ken - I think there's a problem with "circular economy" for correcting the "linear" use of resources, in that it...

5 Jul, 2012

1478

http://lnkd.in/wVfa_Z  Nicolas - Yes, you're quite right to say its a problem "If we push something, even more if we push hard (because...

5 Jul, 2012

1477

http://lnkd.in/9AK4nu  Helene - I think being unobservant is one of the root sources of negligence and denial at the same time. It comes...

5 Jul, 2012

1476

The rules for trimming our energy diet, say it's technology, when the real need is trimming money. That's the answer. http://synapse9.com/SEA

5 Jul, 2012

1475

Watch out, Do something. Like figure out what makes things multiply, and why it leads to either growing conflict or cooperation.

5 Jul, 2012

1474

A pathologically self-centered world with infantile awareness that changing the earth ever more rapidly changes the earth ever more rapidly.

5 Jul, 2012

1473

A time of naturally ever growing moral conflict, and moral compromise, for demanding endlessly growing returns from shrinking things...

5 Jul, 2012

1472

http://lnkd.in/4ekxcJ  I think the distinction between analytical thinking and systems thinking as the terms are used often depend on...

5 Jul, 2012

1471

http://lnkd.in/VBdRA8  fyi - new graphic on new options re: Tainter's collapse of complex societies....

4 Jul, 2012

1470

http://lnkd.in/rM-wBU  Nicolas - My use of the Valve employee plan as an example of a self-managing commons is indeed flawed a bit in that...

4 Jul, 2012

1469

http://lnkd.in/W-4VSV  Jessie Henshaw • Helene & Douwe - It's long been a question whether morality had to do with intention or...

4 Jul, 2012

1468

http://lnkd.in/N59vnv  Helene & Douwe - It's long been a question whether morality had to do with intention or consequences, or what. I...

4 Jul, 2012

1467

http://lnkd.in/CjRjjy  fyi I added an "Evidence" paragraph to the Wikipedia entry on "Jevons' Paradox"...

4 Jul, 2012

1466

http://lnkd.in/HXiihw  Nicholas - You ask "what if we just start? Like manage ourselves out of being managed or managing others" OK,...

3 Jul, 2012

1465

http://lnkd.in/pwB-gQ  Helene - I've looked at the approach to studying generative processes you suggested studying, by Bonnitta Roy and...

2 Jul, 2012

1464

http://lnkd.in/i2HQDK  Helene - I've looked at the approach to studying generative processes you suggested studying, by Bonnitta Roy and...

2 Jul, 2012

1463

http://lnkd.in/iSDzbf  Of course it's easy to misjudge things, but it's the mind that misbehaves not the natural world. To improve the...

2 Jul, 2012

1462

http://lnkd.in/Fy65D7  Helene - you ask "What do you mean by intervention strategies, priorities and starting points?" I'm referring to...

2 Jul, 2012

1461

http://lnkd.in/M9SPvc  Thorbjoern - I guess I'll have to admit that if one reduces ones observations to being one's own thoughts, and...

2 Jul, 2012

1460

For money "adding by %'s" = "multiplication"... so by doubling in scale as other things don't money takes over despite *anyone's* intent.

2 Jul, 2012

1459

http://lnkd.in/ApxyQh  Thorbjoern - It does seem that people are often silently wondering about my work "Of course, I suspect that what...

2 Jul, 2012

1458

http://lnkd.in/FcDDjs  Nicolas - yes, the first draft of Thor's framework does define a global platform. My prior comments had indicated...

2 Jul, 2012

1457

http://lnkd.in/TMZ7KE  Thorbjoern - You said "the discussion format on the Commons I mentioned above, attempts to alleviate precisely some...

2 Jul, 2012

1456

http://lnkd.in/GHrAS9  Ferenc - I'm sure glad Helene seems to have some ability to understand the differences in approach we all have....

1 Jul, 2012

1455

http://lnkd.in/5wHPWJ  Helene - Oh, I'd thought Ferenc's recent original complaint (though there's a list of those too! ;-) was that...

1 Jul, 2012

1454

http://lnkd.in/XmpWtt  Karthikeyan - I can see from your comment how counter-intuitive my proposal seems. You said "What will be...

1 Jul, 2012

1453

Yes, adding by %'s increases the complexity and acceleration of changing directions in your tasks exponentially. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/the-busy-trap/

1 Jul, 2012

1452

http://lnkd.in/2GwKvE  Katherine - You observed, "I'm surprised that the discussion has not focused more on the underlying worldviews of...

1 Jul, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/XfUeMf  Helene - Sorry if I used a "yes but" construction inappropriately. If it's important please let me know what the...

1 Jul, 2012

1450

http://lnkd.in/SSpJjv  Ferenc - You commented on my suggestion that we keep a list, meant to address your complaint about issues being...

1 Jul, 2012

1449

http://lnkd.in/r9qDTt  Helene, Ferenc - What about just a place to post "Critical subjects not responded to". It would need to be...

1 Jul, 2012

1448

Read The Evolutionary Daily today's top stories via @DavidHolzmer http://paper.li/HeleneFinidori/evolutionaries … - pushing the envelope... needs to rip it open.

1 Jul, 2012

1447

Money multiplies, the earth doesn't. Addition for money is by %'s, so = "multiplication", and by design takes over when other things don't.

1 Jul, 2012

1446

http://lnkd.in/2mbRHV  Cont... (2) Has anyone developed a causal loop diagram and/or a dynamic model of the key issues (including...

30 Jun, 2012

1445

http://lnkd.in/VnYFWh  Peter, good that you ask the direct questions. My proposals, at least, were designed to directly respond to the...

30 Jun, 2012

1444

http://lnkd.in/zGne7Y  Helene & all – What keeps frustrating me is also a bit like Ferenc’s expression, that though we talk and respond at...

30 Jun, 2012

1443

Unfortunately... conservation, efficiency, sharing... all protect one thing so the economy can keep multiplying threats to all others.

30 Jun, 2012

1442

http://lnkd.in/PuJxXU  Glen – Simon Sinek’s observation that real innovators “all think and act the same way, the opposite as everyone...

30 Jun, 2012

1441

http://lnkd.in/7CyJFk  Barry – Of course I concur with you and Lewis, that our society is needlessly sacrificing lives by failing to give...

30 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/BDNS_v  Barry & Gene - re: "I did want to make sure that we were not falling into saying that emotional arguments are bad...

30 Jun, 2012

1439

http://lnkd.in/h7wbpy  Ferenc - I find your premise fairly lucid, "But we normally fail on the alignment of the simplest building blocks,...

30 Jun, 2012

1438

http://lnkd.in/SYqnrC  T.A. - you said "so what is it that could be taken from Brett's theory - and coupled with your own - that would...

29 Jun, 2012

1437

http://lnkd.in/HW2WjA  Lewis - I think it's quite hard for humans to avoid interpreting their own cultural bias as universal. Raising...

29 Jun, 2012

1436

http://lnkd.in/T7YEEm  Thorbjoern - Sure, "Deontic premises are expressing moral, utilitarian, aesthetic, political ideology and similar...

28 Jun, 2012

1435

http://lnkd.in/fJ4u6N  T.A. - btw, I got far enough in Brett M. Frischmann's theory "†An Economic Theory of Infrastructure and Commons...

28 Jun, 2012

1434

http://lnkd.in/DERd_N  Peter Thanks very much for taking my suggestions as proposing an idea of "math with feelings". The reality isn't...

28 Jun, 2012

1433

http://lnkd.in/eUq_sK  Lewis - I agree in part, but the problem with a "mathematical process ... that can attache the inferential...

28 Jun, 2012

1432

http://lnkd.in/GYzJw8  Ferenc - Your reasoning seems to equate whacky word use with physical processes... Are you really sure that's...

28 Jun, 2012

1431

http://lnkd.in/rxqMUn  Lewis - I agree with your observation that an "information age" is not the only reason people have historically...

28 Jun, 2012

1430

http://lnkd.in/xqVWMb  Ferenc - You're assuming that the theoretical intractability of real systems, as "an uncountable number of objects...

28 Jun, 2012

1429

http://lnkd.in/taP233  Peter & T.A. - It's amazing that the raging debates often don't pick up on the most elemental scientific...

28 Jun, 2012

1428

http://lnkd.in/53n_yN  Lewis – I guess my argument isn’t that people living out their “animal spirits” in peer to peer relationships...

28 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/a4rtJ6  Richard, that might not be quite true, that “We only have our own perceptions of a political agenda we want to...

28 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/WzPJBp  Lewis - If we're looking or useful ideas here, I think the one you point out that government doesn't run the...

27 Jun, 2012

1425

http://lnkd.in/gn6_NM  Gene, I agree that size of government is not the relevant question. That issue seems to be just wish fulfillment,...

27 Jun, 2012

1424

http://lnkd.in/dxPfFm  Lewis, I like to point out that when we eat an apple, we can't explain or define what we're physically doing at...

27 Jun, 2012

1423

http://lnkd.in/i5VZHd  Well, nice US Supreme Court quote, in affirming the EPA's right to regulate CO2 yesterday, "This is how science...

27 Jun, 2012

1422

http://lnkd.in/gY5tST  Well, nice US Supreme Court quote, in affirming the EPA's right to regulate CO2, "This is how science works" in a...

27 Jun, 2012

1421

http://lnkd.in/qjk3At  Helene, Yes, the prior rage about "the system" came and went. The new one is *far* less radical (in the truth...

26 Jun, 2012

1420

http://lnkd.in/93Hgvm  Barry and Gene - I accept both your points of view as far as theory is concerned. In theory we know how to do...

26 Jun, 2012

1419

http://lnkd.in/9U9e9m  Helene - You responded to my "how does the protection of the commons become what everyone recognizes is everyone's...

26 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/rJsG8X  Jessie Henshaw • Thor, It's surprisingly symmetric. I intend no "mauling" whatever. I'm just trying to present a...

26 Jun, 2012

1417

http://lnkd.in/QHHQqp  Thor, It's surprisingly symmetric. I intend no "mauling" whatever. I'm just trying to present a perspective I...

26 Jun, 2012

1416

http://lnkd.in/42X7sw  Helene - I totally agree with your basic statement in "Rio+20 – Tragedy of the Commons 2.0?"...

25 Jun, 2012

1415

http://lnkd.in/AT3A4p  For my 2 cents on the question, Republican's are only a little worse than the Democrats in just "making up stuff"...

25 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/2Ssefm  Thorbjorem (cont…) So, the “change of subject” I was referring to (though Lewis’s not yours) was from my speaking...

25 Jun, 2012

1413

http://lnkd.in/pWw98Q  Thorbjorem, I didn’t mean to say not to consider what experts, non-experts, scientists and non-scientists have to...

25 Jun, 2012

1412

http://lnkd.in/KFKiB7  Thorbjoern - As to your first questions "none of the above" is my answer. I don't expect you to take on anyone's...

24 Jun, 2012

1411

http://lnkd.in/c6kacs  Is there any report of the world bank sighting the 8 more earths we'll need to keep the economies regularly...

24 Jun, 2012

1410

http://lnkd.in/EMiq53  Thorbjoern - As to your first questions "none of the above" is my answer. I want you to be curious about it...

24 Jun, 2012

1409

@GeorgeMonbiot We still need the use of inequity to build inequity to stop being the central principle of economics! http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/09/what-sustainability-degrowth-tend-to-skip/

24 Jun, 2012

1408

http://lnkd.in/pTRZrv  Mary - you say "the biggest problem is that the normal way of measuring does not even acknowledge the presence of...

24 Jun, 2012

1407

http://lnkd.in/4dzwni  Lewis - It could help to notice how you restated my saying "They [scientists] tend to go direct from data to...

24 Jun, 2012

1406

http://lnkd.in/8GhCuR  Why don't we address the problem that the normal way of estimating our impacts on the commons makes everyone's...

24 Jun, 2012

1405

http://lnkd.in/iBBayW  Helene - But isn't there an even more remarkable aspect of what you point out, about the recognitions from...

24 Jun, 2012

1404

http://lnkd.in/zx6FPA  Ferenc - You have supposed we live "in a world where the acceptance and rejection of ideas, including algorhythm...

24 Jun, 2012

1403

http://lnkd.in/Wq7N4W  T.A. - yes, I was trying to describe what appeared to be his learning process. The main reason scientists tend...

22 Jun, 2012

1402

http://lnkd.in/n9KNGh  ... but aren't we still left with the basic troubling questions, like why do people seem to be SO uncommunicative,...

22 Jun, 2012

1401

http://lnkd.in/Y4TiC5  T. A. - Brett Frischmann's book on Infrastructure as a Commons seems to offer a good example of the kind of...

22 Jun, 2012

1400

http://lnkd.in/3iuQqx  T. A. - Brett Frischmann's book on Infrastructure as a Commons seems to offer a good example of be the kind of...

22 Jun, 2012

1399

http://lnkd.in/4vhgaH  Mary & T.A. - The problem I'm pointing to is not exactly one with local currencies, per se, but that they couldn't...

22 Jun, 2012

1398

http://lnkd.in/ZifAwU  Local currencies are certainly fine for serving the needs they fill. But is there a solvable problem with the...

22 Jun, 2012

1397

http://lnkd.in/CeKzxj  Mary - there certainly is a problem for any currency, of someone keeping it honest. Then once you have an honest...

21 Jun, 2012

1396

http://lnkd.in/D4A3gT  Mary - there certainly is a problem for any currency, of someone keeping it honest. Then once you have an honest...

21 Jun, 2012

1395

http://lnkd.in/AWNvp6  Mary - the odd thing about the "alternative currency" discussion, that I've been tracking form a few decades...

21 Jun, 2012

1394

http://lnkd.in/Y2QaM9  Thorbjoern - I certainly agree with the language question you raise, often overlooked, that "'X' being a term in...

21 Jun, 2012

1393

http://lnkd.in/R7dnQj  The On The Commons Magazine article on the tasks of a commons "animateurs" seemed like a good place to mention the...

20 Jun, 2012

1392

http://lnkd.in/HqmSps  I think the thing to do is to consider the discussion so far as being preliminary to acting on some part, as I...

20 Jun, 2012

1391

http://lnkd.in/vGWX6c  T.A. - Unfortunately the idea of "circular economy" promoted by the MacArthur foundation you reference makes more...

20 Jun, 2012

1390

http://lnkd.in/Y_UeXW  Douwe - You mention a variety of interpretations of "circular economy". My description was intended to make clear...

19 Jun, 2012

1389

http://lnkd.in/n5k_fv  Fred, it's so easy for concepts to stretch and stretch till they mean the opposite of what they were founded on......

19 Jun, 2012

1388

http://lnkd.in/ntXuKg  You wonder why Germany does't see the irony, of doing to Europe what Europe did to Germany, leading to WWII,...

18 Jun, 2012

1387

http://lnkd.in/y_Gkyu  Nicolas – I don’t quite understand the dichotomy you draw of “positive/appreciative" v. "integrate strength-based”...

18 Jun, 2012

1386

http://lnkd.in/yaVMYm  Fred, you might turn that upside down and get a more useful answer. In predicting cultural and financial disarray...

18 Jun, 2012

1385

http://lnkd.in/Nq5Tcx  Dowie - Helene has also done a good bit with "circular economy" ideas. It's important to note that there are...

17 Jun, 2012

1384

http://lnkd.in/pm8kZP  Thorbjoern, That's a great list of varied personal experiences of direct involvement in complex discussions. It's...

17 Jun, 2012

1383

http://lnkd.in/YfUtbJ  Thorbjoern, I read enough of your draft framework to discover that you framed it as an idealization of how a world...

16 Jun, 2012

1382

http://lnkd.in/WeWPxN  David - I admit it takes study of how a 500% measurement error in the world's primary measure for the environmental...

15 Jun, 2012

1381

http://lnkd.in/vAvFKR  David - I guess it's a language problem. Danny Burns and I are talking about taking quite similar approaches,...

14 Jun, 2012

1380

http://lnkd.in/X9XKAp  Thor - A global discourse "to ensure economic survival" is of course very different from a the kind of planned...

14 Jun, 2012

1379

http://lnkd.in/9Ta5-7  "Mono"?? Mono what? If you mean considering that natural systems have lots of individual players that one needs...

14 Jun, 2012

1378

http://lnkd.in/WMQjbE  David – Well, the kind of example I was thinking of for “the value of identifying self-organizing systems" was the...

13 Jun, 2012

1377

http://lnkd.in/uzySwE  David - I guess what I'm pointing out is that the methodology used is not chosen by the systems thinker who designs...

13 Jun, 2012

1376

http://lnkd.in/_kDTWW  Oh, yes, I forgot the main ingredient for a successful environmental intervention, having stakeholders with a...

13 Jun, 2012

1375

http://lnkd.in/3NT5gd  Helene - I think it's good to test all kinds of concepts, but not practical for a conversation group to actually...

13 Jun, 2012

1374

http://lnkd.in/AzgPPF  Barry & George, The radical divergence of earned incomes and investment profits actually began in about 1970. It...

13 Jun, 2012

1373

http://lnkd.in/2kBv-E  David - Regarding "Multimethodology", my suggestion was that we do a bit to collect the parts of multimethodologies...

13 Jun, 2012

1372

http://lnkd.in/2WB_xR  Peter - For my financial commons proposal I'd be very glad to "(run) it through a simple-as-possible dynamic...

13 Jun, 2012

1371

Elinor Ostrom's article on what is at stake at Rio, published yesterday with the announcement of her passing: http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/green-from-the-grassroots

13 Jun, 2012

1370

http://lnkd.in/6pad-z  David - I finally had a chance to look over the John Mingers paper on "multimethodology". I certainly agree that...

12 Jun, 2012

1369

http://lnkd.in/znXV6j  Nice statement Helene! ... the struggle may always be "the language" that everyone uses to define things...

12 Jun, 2012

1368

@NoeticOrg see "news of the commons" http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/07/the-news-of-the-commons/ … and how to vote for "circular" earn-spend economy over "spiral" lend-lend economy.

12 Jun, 2012

1367

@NoeticOrg by 6/14 **Vote** for "New institutions..of commons-based economic models" http://vote.riodialogues.org/?l=en

12 Jun, 2012

1366

http://lnkd.in/RcW5iW  To not forget immediate business.... Helene is off with our hearts and hopes to talk in Rio about "the commons".......

12 Jun, 2012

1365

http://lnkd.in/hAH8M8  Gene, David - Well, yes, these are the problematic issues I'm referring to, that makes systems thinking, as it...

11 Jun, 2012

1364

http://lnkd.in/9xUw8U  Gene - So sorry about my mysteriously giving you a new name... I seem to be a bit nutty sometimes... ;-) I'd agree...

11 Jun, 2012

1363

http://lnkd.in/ZxYdUC  One thing I've noticed is that 20 years ago there was a commonly used discussion web tool that let discussions be...

11 Jun, 2012

1362

http://lnkd.in/xHNf-s  Glen, Thanks for the links and offer to give access. If you could create an account for me I'd appreciate it....

11 Jun, 2012

1361

http://lnkd.in/YAFnEi  Glen, Thanks for the links and offer to give access. If you could create an account for me I'd appreciate it....

11 Jun, 2012

1360

http://lnkd.in/z7dS9V  Helene - Where's the "pyramid of [Thor's] framework table" that you say seemed to reflect a common approach, and...

11 Jun, 2012

1359

http://lnkd.in/wzCw6c  Thor Gene, It'd be great to work out the kinks to working collaboratively on STW documents. I also don't know...

11 Jun, 2012

1358

Vote for sustaining "the commons" to work for all, topic 6 item 8, RioDialogue final vote - #Riovote #Futurewewant http://shar.es/sn0yI

10 Jun, 2012

1357

http://lnkd.in/vG8Q8Z  T.A. - Yes, there's some difference between idealized "profiteering" and "profitability for an intended purpose" as...

10 Jun, 2012

1356

http://lnkd.in/wj-z2H  Helene OK, I'll go over it for refinements this AM. Is it OK to 'BOLD' a key phrase in each item, to serve as it's...

10 Jun, 2012

1355

http://lnkd.in/AuRBhX  Helene – I can answer some of the questions you asked. There’s beginning to be some tension between the...

9 Jun, 2012

1354

http://lnkd.in/vpyqq3  all - I note we're mostly assuming as a model for "circular economy" that it's good to promote "closed loop...

9 Jun, 2012

1353

http://lnkd.in/-TeKiy  all - I think we should all remember we're consulting on Helene’s draft, aiming to support it and cover gaps, so...

9 Jun, 2012

1352

http://lnkd.in/RZxnrM  all - I think we should all remember we're consulting on Helene’s draft, aiming to support it and cover gaps, so...

9 Jun, 2012

1351

http://lnkd.in/qrgfji  all - I think we should all remember we're consulting on Helene’s draft, aiming to support it and cover gaps, so...

9 Jun, 2012

1350

http://lnkd.in/bTQFYn  fyi, a "circular economy" is identical to a "self-regulating economy", what happens naturally if the circle of...

8 Jun, 2012

1480

http://lnkd.in/JcGJEH  There's a lot of convergence here. I like most of the "nuggets", but I don't see simple illustrations of what would...

7 Jun, 2012

 

 

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News of "the commons" - getting the whole to work is emerging as a new paradigm of sustainability http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/07/the-news-of-the-commons/  Time to VOTE...

7Jun, 2012

1347

http://lnkd.in/33Feu9  Helene, I think how your said it is great, if you just compact it a bit, and change enables to enable "Enable...

7Jun, 2012

1346

http://lnkd.in/YJNXm7  Helene - Yes of course, What's most important would be a priority shortlist of coordinated actions. You might...

7 Jun, 2012

1345

http://lnkd.in/_J2b7F  T.A. - Yes, the co-evolution of modern culture and technology has been noticed by lots of people. Technology is...

7 Jun, 2012

1344

http://lnkd.in/hfp25d  Helene - I'm delighted you liked how I've been adding "the commons" to my way of describing how individuals...

6 Jun, 2012

1343

http://lnkd.in/Jdv2Sh  T.A. - What I think complicates the meaning we get from food chain cascades is that when Odum or Abel say "that...

6 Jun, 2012

1342

http://lnkd.in/ZNMwah  New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below...

5 Jun, 2012

1341

http://lnkd.in/T4yGbA  New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below...

5 Jun, 2012

1340

http://lnkd.in/u_ZDsE  Chandrashekar - That's a generous offer. It would be wonderful to have an observer's condensation of things. I'd...

5 Jun, 2012

1339

http://lnkd.in/CT4UCF  Peter - I for one largely agree with your view of the problem, that sustainability as a word and way to sell...

5 Jun, 2012

1338

http://lnkd.in/dv9hW9  Thor -As I presented it, my idea that people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business with...

5 Jun, 2012

1337

http://lnkd.in/hC4g7j  Thor -As I presented it, my intent of saying people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business...

5 Jun, 2012

1336

We got the votes: Needed: Paradigm Shift now on he agenda...http://shar.es/qD8pl  See my comment at the bottom!

5 Jun, 2012

1335

http://lnkd.in/Wa72px  Nicolas - There's an interesting dichotomy between thinking of "the commons" as a place and as a way of working...

4 Jun, 2012

1334

http://lnkd.in/wRCZjt  David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is...

4 Jun, 2012

1333

http://lnkd.in/WKdyJK  David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is...

4 Jun, 2012

1332

http://lnkd.in/8rN_Mp  Bob, I guess I see a difference between engineers and scientists, that goes both ways. Scientists are mostly...

3 Jun, 2012

1331

http://lnkd.in/eZQd6b  David - Sure, ideology is a kind of "poison" for communication, as it draws a sharp line between allowed and...

3 Jun, 2012

1330

http://lnkd.in/yvDyQc  David - I think there are probably many ways to define 'the commons' as a word, and other ways to leave it...

3 Jun, 2012

1329

http://lnkd.in/Mgmziv  Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e....

3 Jun, 2012

1328

http://lnkd.in/qWReW3  Thorbjoern - The power issues do indeed persist, as you say "any form of self-governance (in which several parties...

3 Jun, 2012

1327

http://lnkd.in/PUXR8P  Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e....

2 Jun, 2012

1326

http://lnkd.in/ctArJR  Bob - Like most of the skeptics about the integrity of science you do seem to think science is like an argument,...

2 Jun, 2012

1325

#Biomimicry link & support Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy: A new economic paradigm, finally!https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656

2 Jun, 2012

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#RioDialogues: link & support A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge, Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy:https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656

2 Jun, 2012

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@HeleneFinidori ;-)) &link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3

2 Jun, 2012

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@EarthSummit2012 link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3

2 Jun, 2012

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#RioDialogues: link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3

2 Jun, 2012

1320

@dkorten link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating financial commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3

2 Jun, 2012

1319

For Rio Dialogues vote on directions for Sustainable Development, like away from competing interests to "the commons" https://www.riodialogues.org/node/240649#comment-29704

1 Jun, 2012

1318

http://lnkd.in/6HZ6KM Helene - great to see the progress and spread of interest in how to make the commons the centerpiece of...

1 Jun, 2012

1317

@Earthsummit2012 A great omission from most lists of our great omissions... is ending the use of profits for ever multiplying investment.

1 Jun, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/eBe96D Bob  - The numbers I've seen for the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere are on the order of 200-300 years, with...

1 Jun, 2012

1315

http://lnkd.in/g5DYjg  Lewis - Isn't redefining the terms of metaphor and expecting it to still be valid is a bit crazy? Better to start...

1 Jun, 2012

1314

http://lnkd.in/iS9rp7   Lewis, That seems accurate as an example of fluctuating weather, but changing climate is an increasing temperature...

31 May, 2012

1313

http://lnkd.in/pzWkip  Lewis - Why couldn't we easily monitor the input and output? Just simple satellite measurements seem to do it....

31 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/UhFiAK  Lewis & Bob, Maybe answering Bob's question will address both, asking me: "Does your starting point for global...

30 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/kE9 _2m Lewis - Sorry, I didn't speak that way to be socially confrontational, but intellectually. Your last sentence is...

30 May, 2012

1310

http://lnkd.in/4Pvr9n  lewis, Except for your inability to separate fact from fiction I guess, you're actually quite wrong about climate...

29 May, 2012

1309

http://lnkd.in/NQzbzb  Lovis - As conceptual argument your approach sounds ideal, but conceptual models are always ideal. The reality...

28 May, 2012

1308

http://lnkd.in/vcm5wf  Well, lots of people did. Even JM Keynes predicted the growth system he designed would meet this kind of failure...

28 May, 2012

1307

http://lnkd.in/jgCWZ9  There's a strange possibility that might give EU leaders the option to save the Euro now that we see it is clearly...

27 May, 2012

1306

http://lnkd.in/pNW3Jp  Mary - You're getting my general way of thinking exactly, to find a working model in nature of the systems...

25 May, 2012

1305

C-Sections May Lead to Childhood Obesity - The Takeaway:http://bit.ly/KGKHkg  - are the last days of pregnancy chemically important to life?

25 May, 2012

1304

http://lnkd.in/4qXgq8  Vladimir - You say "If you imply that it is the scientific method that you rely upon to differentiate what you call...

24 May, 2012

1303

http://lnkd.in/P2T8Tr  I'd like anyone to comment on my competition entry for how to transform the economy, or ask questions for...

24 May, 2012

1302

http://lnkd.in/3kq4bW  T.A. - You ask "So if we abandon the old ways of chasing 'more efficiency of extraction' and look for alternatives,...

24 May, 2012

1301

http://lnkd.in/6du7 As Regarding the growth crisis, my view is a bit on the line of Vladimir's suggestion: "Why defeat an evil empire -...

21 May, 2012

1300

http://lnkd.in/g5f_Fk  Vladimir - I guess my approach would be to carefully avoid reliance on deciding what reality is, as so state it as...

21 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/ctb5k3  Mathieu - We certainly need graphic images to help explain ST, from various views, as that quote from Drucker...

20 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/zqJFb5  Mary & T.A. & Ferenc - I think a lot of "mumbojumbo" is coming from the unstudied differences between the thinking...

20 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/Cxb-Mw  T.A. - You ask about my saying "Whole system study involves acknowledging that whole individual systems might...

19 May, 2012

1296

http://lnkd.in/UeScgv  David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,...

18 May, 2012

1295

http://lnkd.in/8Yg6Zx  David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,...

18 May, 2012

1294

http://lnkd.in/EraZXE  Vladimir - You say "Given that any efficiency assessment by a person hinges on the assessment of usefulness of all...

18 May, 2012

1293

http://lnkd.in/hCtr4a  It occurs to me that one of the things systems thinking may be best for is clearly defining problems that are quite...

17 May, 2012

1292

http://lnkd.in/gN8xZ4  T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks...

16 May, 2012

1291

http://lnkd.in/6xaSvR  T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks...

16 May, 2012

1290

Adopt natural system principles to keep economies profitable at their limits | Management Innovation eXchange http://shar.es/2R12T

15 May, 2012

1289

@UNEP_FI You should like my proposal to transform capitalism, by investment funds becoming endowments for the earth.http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/05/10/natural-principles-to-stay-profitable-at-limits/

14 May, 2012

1288

http://lnkd.in/jA7y_3  Mary - Capra's approach aims at bringing the economy to a stable climax as my approach also does, as necessary for...

14 May, 2012

1287

http://lnkd.in/QQXSQB  David - No I'm not familiar with "ecological rationality" as a modeling concept. My usual method is to look at my...

13 May, 2012

1286

http://lnkd.in/KThUSc  Lewis - Well, if you make a static model with liquid parts, that answers how to get it to flow, but does that loose...

13 May, 2012

1285

http://lnkd.in/tSjgvY  I'm mystified why the biomimicry people seem as averse to "whole problem" kinds of systems thinking as the...

13 May, 2012

1284

http://lnkd.in/v-FAVZ  Gene - what about ST as a continual partnership with nature, though, where the observer uses their models, not...

13 May, 2012

1283

http://lnkd.in/aqM6pV  Gene - for my two cents, I'd like the general framework of discussion to include ST as including ways of getting...

13 May, 2012

1282

http://lnkd.in/aTVB7y  David - The simplest "in a nut shell" description of my proposal is : "We should manage the world economy like...

13 May, 2012

1281

http://lnkd.in/SV7YBi  William - I'm delighted you like my site! My approach is usually thought of as a little esoteric, I think. I...

13 May, 2012

1280

http://lnkd.in/KakYRx  Tim - Examples of natural systems that develop by an explosion of energy use and new organization include 1)...

13 May, 2012

1279

http://lnkd.in/5CeWkE  I honestly think the evidence is very clear that the high expectations of Rio, whether people reach an inspired...

12 May, 2012

1278

http://lnkd.in/_YP5kD  Lewis - I'm glad you liked my way of describing system boundaries as "skin", to be used as something you can feel...

12 May, 2012

1277

http://lnkd.in/vtd7fb  Lewis - You say "solving mathematical problems in physics is at the heart and history of all definitions of ST that...

12 May, 2012

1276

http://lnkd.in/2FHjkC  Lewis - I'd certainly agree that there are systems that behave according to chaotic coupling principles. I would...

12 May, 2012

1275

http://lnkd.in/REbN_q  Jack - You define a,b & c as: "Any system manifests in up to three ways. a) as concept in a human mind, also...

11 May, 2012

1274

http://lnkd.in/PvuG_z  Lewis - you say "I agree that hierarchical patterns are easier to use, and not the perfect way to go, but until we...

11 May, 2012

1273

http://lnkd.in/2jZPhv  Gene - That nice video you linked,...

11 May, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/JUEEUN  Barry... I think my way of solving it should work for you. Yes there is no way of determining "objective reality",...

11 May, 2012

1271

http://lnkd.in/T4V57A  Barry, Rob Couldn't we do it BOTH ways, and in discussion switch back and forth between what you call a "construct...

11 May, 2012

1270

http://lnkd.in/7GK8ZJ  Jack - You recommend OpEMCSS (CAS) software for modeling and animating context-sensitive systems....

11 May, 2012

1269

It makes sustainability unsustainable, to not see money as co-constrained by physical goods and services, much the same limits!

11 May, 2012

1268

I'm going to "Green Breakfast Club Sponsorship Levels"! Who's joining? http://www.amiando.com/vi/LOGWNJL  via @amiando

11 May, 2012

1267

"Green Breakfast Club" great resource for starting or advanced new green business ideas http://www.greenbreakfastclub.com/

11 May, 2012

1266

http://lnkd.in/2viEze  Lewis & all - I think we need a way of being clear about the difference between ST as the study of models and as...

10 May, 2012

1265

http://lnkd.in/p69Zm6  all - David's mention of his submission to the Long Term Capitalism Challenge offered by Harvard Business Review,...

10 May, 2012

1264

http://lnkd.in/XUSghn  Darius and Peter - You ask how to know what boundary identifies a system. There are different ways for doing it...

9 May, 2012

1263

http://lnkd.in/fmBVDK  Geoff - You seem to be a good person to ask given your range of studies. Have studied systems as individual units...

9 May, 2012

1262

http://lnkd.in/hbcMiZ  Lewis - Your suggestion that I imitate Mandelbrot in co-authoring papers with others more familiar with particular...

9 May, 2012

1261

http://lnkd.in/t9KgZn  You know, the thing I've always found funny about chaos theory, is the premise that a world full of changing...

9 May, 2012

1260

http://lnkd.in/C8vQz6  Jack - It's kind of curious that even the extension of Maslow is just for bringing others to work on themselves,...

7 May, 2012

1259

http://lnkd.in/3gvPkq  Barry - I hear your complaint about abstract models of systems not necessarily being useful for real problems. I...

7 May, 2012

1258

http://lnkd.in/wkwJxa  David Hawk - Where I picked up Gunnar Hedlund's thinking was by being part of a group of friends in SGSR in the mid...

7 May, 2012

1257

http://lnkd.in/Cn_eFv  Jack, I like what I see in the approaches of Schön, Novak & Wymore. Thanks. Wymore seems to be associated with...

6 May, 2012

1256

http://lnkd.in/b-q3te  David - I'd agree that having a focus on system memory in CES is an important distinction. Some of the effect of...

5 May, 2012

1255

http://lnkd.in/QkswEu  David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action...

4 May, 2012

1254

http://lnkd.in/W95xPZ  David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action...

4 May, 2012

1253

http://lnkd.in/98R6th  Jack, Thanks for the links. I am surprised I didn't first recognize Warfield on the list, of course, but glad to...

4 May, 2012

1252

http://lnkd.in/AY6qS9  Gene - That's a good question, to ask: "while I get the sense of a loop I wonder why they talk about it being in a...

4 May, 2012

1251

http://lnkd.in/_Y6wrR  Jack - I'd like it if there was a common syntax for ST too. I gather that is what you're saying by asking "How...

4 May, 2012

1250

http://lnkd.in/cPzF8h  One problem with "Going Solid" that really must be looked at, is a kind of pernicious environmental problem. It's...

3 May, 2012

1249

http://lnkd.in/VCHA6P  What about interpreting the difference between systems dynamics and systems thinking as, SD being the study of...

3 May, 2012

1248

http://lnkd.in/4k55cZ  Lewis - I'm backlogged, but from your latest post I think these are quoteable! "the need to think of it...

3 May, 2012

1247

http://lnkd.in/ZuK7h7  Helene - Bonnita and you both seem to speak of your own observations on naturally occurring creative processes. To...

2 May, 2012

1246

http://lnkd.in/bbn9B4  Jack - You asked: "Re:"...but also of differences between those and what *model* systems are able to faithfully...

1 May, 2012

1245

http://lnkd.in/gYVerV  Ferenc - You say "we are all led in the forst with no compass at all, no sun out, no way to get out of the maze....

1 May, 2012

1244

http://lnkd.in/VE7-qZ  Helene, I did, but then realized that my view, that contrasts with the popular one, would not be possible to...

1 May, 2012

1243

http://lnkd.in/4kqtji  Gene & David, David said "that being the case and since I absolutely don't want the article to be a representative...

1 May, 2012

1242

http://lnkd.in/Na2BwY  Lewis - There's a catch I find in saying "the inherent process is quantum based". The catch I see that QM was...

1 May, 2012

1241

http://lnkd.in/JycK76  Lewis - I'd agree, that synthetic systems seem to only exist in virtual reality. What tells me that is importantly...

1 May, 2012

1240

http://lnkd.in/hJm4mg  Jessie Henshaw o Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other...

1 May, 2012

1239

http://lnkd.in/mk7vr5  Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other systems on their...

1 May, 2012

1238

http://lnkd.in/T4gGdr  Jessie Henshaw o Jack - [note edit] I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a...

1 May, 2012

1237

http://lnkd.in/rdwHHf Jack - I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a problem of differences between...

1 May, 2012

1236

http://lnkd.in/Nsih4u What about the indefinable, but often evident, difference between natural physical relationships between things and...

30 Apr, 2012

1235

http://lnkd.in/eSfj82 Gene David - [note edits] I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems...

30 Apr, 2012

1234

http://lnkd.in/wryiCV George Your ask "Is systems thinking almost a massage?" I'd say a lot of massaging seems to go on in human...

30 Apr, 2012

1233

http://lnkd.in/sV5PgV Gene David - I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems thinking is...

30 Apr, 2012

1232

http://lnkd.in/Rrb_Wv Gene Peter - Yes, that is a very nice way to break it down, and come to the question "AND so what's the answer?"....

30 Apr, 2012

1231

http://lnkd.in/qxiZqe Ferenc - So I would agree and simplify it a bit, saying that we have a familiar syntax for language that we learned...

30 Apr, 2012

1230

http://lnkd.in/vf2ufA Ferenc - My last post responding to David says more about "self-defining" as a property of objects of nature, as...

29 Apr, 2012

1229

http://lnkd.in/xbQJFx David - I think of "system boundaries" in two ways. One is the "physical boundary" of a system. It's...

29 Apr, 2012

1228

http://lnkd.in/sZZdHr David - I keep trying to point directly to what I see as the "failures of foresight" that justify your "sense the...

29 Apr, 2012

1227

http://lnkd.in/DgNVaE David - What I described as a systemic problem, apparent in the tragedy at the Somerset Dam, does generally fit...

28 Apr, 2012

1226

http://lnkd.in/XSn8K3 Ferenc - I think in saying "In principle all search is a waste and is needed beacseu of a total disorderly state of...

28 Apr, 2012

1225

http://lnkd.in/-hCkXk T.A. - you may be right about Aristotle advancing case based learning, which would show a more practical bent than...

28 Apr, 2012

1224

http://lnkd.in/y7g2hf David - You certainly have a point about criticizing Aristotle, as his language and issues were so different that...

28 Apr, 2012

1223

http://lnkd.in/MwsMAJ Well... there's a simply tremendous amount of knowledge represented by the gaps in one's knowledge. It takes a...

28 Apr, 2012

1222

http://lnkd.in/vM6Ytr Ferenc - Well, the most common words that connect to nature are words that are defined by the self-defining object...

28 Apr, 2012

1221

http://lnkd.in/y8rQP3 David - In looking for books on Total Systems Intervention I found Robert L. Flood's books, and that he teaches at...

28 Apr, 2012

1220

http://lnkd.in/EdCjxq Darius - I was talking about behavioral knowledge, how we use highly sophisticated primitive emotional calculus for...

27 Apr, 2012

1219

http://lnkd.in/4YFN8q There seem to be a lot of off topic posts. Should this page be used to discuss need for transforming our use of...

27 Apr, 2012

1218

http://lnkd.in/z3r6pG Ferenc - Yes, there is a "great clutter" of purported forms of knowledge "knowledge representations basically...

27 Apr, 2012

1217

http://lnkd.in/fNf3mf Darius - You say "To find the common ground we have to go back in time to pre-human times. So far there has been a...

27 Apr, 2012

1216

http://lnkd.in/2b6F7z Ferenc - You seem to think of "search" as "random". That is indeed a big waste of energy for the results you get,...

27 Apr, 2012

1215

http://lnkd.in/GYheYQ David - I haven't had a chance yet to study Burns' work, but I would quite strongly agree with the need to...

27 Apr, 2012

1214

http://lnkd.in/Vw3YDr T.A. David - It seems Aristotle's use of "Phronesis, or practical wisdom, he contrasted with episteme (conceptual...

27 Apr, 2012

1213

http://lnkd.in/KSGRgq David You say "I would argue that an ecological narrative is much better. It shows how organisms start as members...

26 Apr, 2012

1212

http://lnkd.in/aXYCDZ Kamran - You say having different schools of systems thinking, with different perspectives, could be constructive,...

26 Apr, 2012

1211

http://lnkd.in/RD7_2B Jack - You asked "pls tell me the relatonship between your right foot and the concept, system, and I may be able to...

26 Apr, 2012

1210

http://lnkd.in/Wbhg5k karthikeyan and Lewis, What about using the natural language term "invasive" for describing systems that grow at...

26 Apr, 2012

1209

http://lnkd.in/y-qb3H Ferenc - I think what Helene and I are trying to do is offer a way to talk to people who usually think of their own...

26 Apr, 2012

1208

http://lnkd.in/vyMEtu Lewis - I think you're unusual in conceptualizing science as what it should be, using models to help us discuss the...

26 Apr, 2012

1207

http://lnkd.in/pgcvxp I'm surprised the difference between models, as sets of abstract of rules for numbers, and self-organizing physical...

26 Apr, 2012

1206

http://lnkd.in/hMavhb Helene, I just noticed your comment three days ago about systems having an inside and appearing as a sphere from...

26 Apr, 2012

1205

http://lnkd.in/sVYyqX Well, if models are so capable of representing open systems in nature, how come we have a world economic system...

25 Apr, 2012

1204

http://lnkd.in/BKq3TV Jack - So, when you say "it might be useful to remember that 'natural' systems are only human models of what's...

25 Apr, 2012

1203

http://lnkd.in/f7ffr9 Gene, One big thing models seem unable to do is duplicate the flowing "everywhere at once" process of continual...

25 Apr, 2012

1202

http://lnkd.in/VwBswf David - I don't understand the methods you refer to as well as some, but have done a lot of research on how to...

25 Apr, 2012

1201

http://lnkd.in/AgXYNk Helene, The more direct reason I seem to be on a campaign against efficiency is really for another reason than it...

25 Apr, 2012

1200

http://lnkd.in/mBFTtr To have much meaning, doesn't a "systems model" need to refer to, as by exemplifying, some individual or group of...

24 Apr, 2012

1199

http://lnkd.in/Qdnqsn Joe S. - I don't think you quite get my premise. I'm not saying that there is only one correct understanding of...

24 Apr, 2012

1198

http://lnkd.in/CSwcSy Over the years I've started looking more at the common omissions of the "great" thinkers, and finding that quite...

24 Apr, 2012

1197

http://lnkd.in/ApCwwS Well, for "root causes" I first look at two things, if I can trace the issue back to some origin, and then...

24 Apr, 2012

1196

http://lnkd.in/vFCT7z Lewis, it has always seemed to me that the easiest definitive way to state the length of a piece of string is 100%.

24 Apr, 2012

1195

http://lnkd.in/c-g5pr Well... Blodget does overlook that for our present circumstance Keynes actually would have called for something...

24 Apr, 2012

1194

http://lnkd.in/GuxYJ2 Sometimes considering both the "inside view" and the "outside view" of the same thing helps expose important...

24 Apr, 2012

1193

http://lnkd.in/7PaB9t John K., I'd agree that "growth is an emotive word" in how most people use it. In particular people often don't...

23 Apr, 2012

1192

http://lnkd.in/C563a8 Ferenc - You said to Helene, "Therefore I see humanity as the disease, but as we are successulf as parasites and...

23 Apr, 2012

1191

http://lnkd.in/w-r-Pp John K. - You say to Farenc "start with better questions" . I think that also requires starting with better...

23 Apr, 2012

1190

http://lnkd.in/gVrems William - Thanks so much for the support!! Still, that there might be "fundamental differences between how models...

22 Apr, 2012

1189

http://lnkd.in/9BfV8x John K. - You ask, "what are you going to monitor them with x or gamma rays?". I gather you're referring to...

22 Apr, 2012

1188

http://lnkd.in/MnMheG Helene - Yes, I do have a particular method behind what you liked, saying: "I like your idea of closely watching...

22 Apr, 2012

1187

http://lnkd.in/pWTtvs T.A. I like your quote from Sterman but question whether he quite read it himself sometimes! I've had a few...

21 Apr, 2012

1186

http://lnkd.in/MGh-pd Lewis, From what I understand about chaos theory it's about probabilities in a conceptual phase space, rather than...

20 Apr, 2012

1185

http://lnkd.in/PCmmFV John K. - Right, some models are miraculously accurate in predicting natural phenomena, but prediction still isn't...

20 Apr, 2012

1184

Like... is thinking it's OK to do evil to others so long as we profit ourselves a mark left by our domestication as slaves in ancient past?

20 Apr, 2012

1183

America would be great, if people weren't so totally misinformed. Our culture just doesn't teach us to learn by observation, just hearsay!

20 Apr, 2012

1182

http://lnkd.in/By2YG9 John K. - Why do you think systems in nature work by models? Clearly WE generally think of systems *as our...

19 Apr, 2012

1181

http://lnkd.in/U7WY8w Peter - I wish I knew how to respond more briefly, but you pose such interesting questions! I think the problem...

19 Apr, 2012

1180

http://lnkd.in/2h98U5 John - but.. is there any evidence that nature actually works by models, or is it just specially evolved...

19 Apr, 2012

1179

http://lnkd.in/zxqKnT John & Lewis - One of the added handicaps for computation as a model of nature is the natural lack of data for...

19 Apr, 2012

1178

http://lnkd.in/-qqpGt lewis The engaging question is on this thread, is the UN call for revolutionary thinking, to find an economic...

19 Apr, 2012

1177

http://lnkd.in/e4FC-w lewis Right, one of the more easily noticed differences between equations and nature is nature shows constantly...

18 Apr, 2012

1176

http://lnkd.in/uB4AYY Thorbjoern Sorry if I mixed up your view and that of the book you were reviewing... Oops! I think the moral...

18 Apr, 2012

1175

http://lnkd.in/PPg8c9 Lewis C. If what you're saying is that one's math is only as good as the question about the real world you're...

17 Apr, 2012

1174

http://lnkd.in/wqMg49 TA - For development processes you can physically change the sign of a growth rate with little physical strain,...

17 Apr, 2012

1173

http://lnkd.in/CxrWQ8 Thorbjoern You say the study consisted of "several runs based on different constellations of policy assumptions...

17 Apr, 2012

1172

http://lnkd.in/vbP-id T.A. Balasubraminian - I do like Bardi's take on it. My report on the 40th anniversary meeting (in DC on Mar 1)...

17 Apr, 2012

1171

http://lnkd.in/g38Abu Gene B - What Kuhn actually said was that learning of new paradigms occurs by new generations replacing old, rather...

17 Apr, 2012

1170

http://lnkd.in/TqRirv Peter B - Your concluding remark helps detail my view of co-existent "ways of thinking", saying: "Each approach, or...

17 Apr, 2012

1169

http://lnkd.in/w-zAb7 Barry L - But if you look at it objectively, your statement could be a candidate for the kind of socially defined...

17 Apr, 2012

1168

http://lnkd.in/3MtuTb Lewis not sure what your reference is when saying "nothing could be further from the truth" directly following my...

16 Apr, 2012

1167

http://lnkd.in/myBpm7 Gene, I proposed a systemic perspective in my above comment, that of a changing natural world with human society...

16 Apr, 2012

1166

http://lnkd.in/P3ctSN John, But we still live on the same planet, even if we see different realities. I think you realize what I'm...

16 Apr, 2012

1165

http://lnkd.in/Erq6aB To me "transcending paradigms" means somehow finding a way to violate T.S. Kuhn's observation that scientists just...

16 Apr, 2012

1164

http://lnkd.in/zed8uK Well, I understand economics too. I'm proposing that because of how we changed the planet it would be more...

16 Apr, 2012

1163

http://lnkd.in/p3yAJ7 Perhaps the "revolutionary thinking" needed would be a finite investment plan for society, rather than an ever...

16 Apr, 2012

1162

http://lnkd.in/VFfchS So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I...

16 Apr, 2012

1161

http://lnkd.in/fEZNaW So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I...

16 Apr, 2012

1160

http://lnkd.in/F3gRss Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me....

16 Apr, 2012

1159

@adolfzizek Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me.http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~jakulin/

16 Apr, 2012

1158

http://lnkd.in/G3KsEZ Well, a model help keep you from having to start from scratch all the time, like a template of good questions to...

15 Apr, 2012

1157

http://lnkd.in/yyegtY Really great that you see that. It leaves me at the perennial impasse, though, stuck in a scientific all but...

15 Apr, 2012

1156

http://lnkd.in/F_k3Jg More accurately, I studying the kinds of important things nature's systems do physically, that models (and model...

15 Apr, 2012

1155

http://lnkd.in/tishat Thanks. That's further than the great majority of theorists will go in recognizing the natural limits of theory....

15 Apr, 2012

1154

http://lnkd.in/DYreTh I'm just asking how you connect your conceptual models of relationships to the real ones in our world. I know Bohr...

13 Apr, 2012

1153

http://lnkd.in/r6GX62 Well, yes, sure. That defines your study as being one of models, and not one of the subjects of interest in...

13 Apr, 2012

1152

http://lnkd.in/fKMmDS That is... until you try to make it a mapping between a model and some subject of interest in the natural world,...

13 Apr, 2012

1151

@giyom It's in how savings are not used unless putting money in to take more out is promised, net returns vary but that drives the whole.

10 Apr, 2012

1150

Getting bigger ever faster... still the gold standard sustainability plan for post modern business, what the public wants...!

 9 Apr, 2012

1149

@Adbusters - A new model of living sure to survive & enrich more than most is being a boundary spanning link between many social networks.

9 Apr, 2012

1148

Truly smashing Ausi records. In one place, the LOW recorded on day was higher than the existing RECORD HIGH for March!http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1057&message=41007115

8 Apr, 2012

1147

What to regulate and what not... an endless question.http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558748_10150658804081275_177486166274_9728204_1140150600_n.jpg

8 Apr, 2012

1146

Trees are at least a renewable resource... Computers may not be. A dependence on ever more efficient depletion of non-renewables has an end.

1 Apr, 2012

1145

Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6bc2a

1 Apr, 2012

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Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6b030

1 Apr, 2012

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Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/HbHwDF

1 Apr, 2012

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Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H5A4Hs

1 Apr, 2012

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@Revkin @malekanoms - What's usually missing when people see one curve causing another is why the environment might do that now & not before

30 Mar, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/YidQZy There's a problem with the data collecting strategies for complex system models. None seem able to crack the...

26 Mar, 2012

1139

http://lnkd.in/Bk63qq Simple examples of self-organization like those really help. The common habit of explaining everything with...

25 Mar, 2012

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http://lnkd.in/kgTqxm To complement that, one should also be aware of important modeling issues not often discussed in the math texts...

23 Mar, 2012

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Commented on Going for Brokered? - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/xFfLWo

18 Mar, 2012

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Those flurries of disruptions that seem to come from nowhere? All come from needing to rely on unreliable things we never needed to before.

13 Mar, 2012

1135

Somehow people don't get it, that its the cosmos that is on fire, and humans minds just dreaming, *not the reverse*.

13 Mar, 2012

1134

"No tomorrow"... a new high standard in "peak everything" films.http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theres-no-tomorrow/

13 Mar, 2012

1133

@rupertposner ..Perhaps not including all the out sourced energy used to make renewable energy and deliver out sourced goods and services..

13 Mar, 2012

1132

@Grist ...more secrets on shale gas and escalating energy price volatility http://grist.org/natural-gas/natural-born-drillers-why-shale-gas-wont-end-our-energy-woes/

12 Mar, 2012

1131

http://lnkd.in/BahcqD There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a...

9 Mar, 2012

1130

http://lnkd.in/tqX-_3 There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a...

9 Mar, 2012

1129

math intuitive thinkers can feel, and imagery mathematical thinkers can reason http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/03/08/with-endless-exploding-energy/

9 Mar, 2012

1128

@growthbusters Grantham points to resource loss to trump Buffet's denial, but wrong idea of how investors guide change.http://www.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInvestMoment-PH.pdf

2 Mar, 2012

1127

http://lnkd.in/cM25BY Dave and Domenico, As a senior architect I've found the creative challenge is discovering what the particular piece...

28 Feb, 2012

1126

http://lnkd.in/am-ZNr Yes, early insights are often lost. But moral logic aside, does any amount of "sympathy" or "empathy" remove the...

28 Feb, 2012

1125

Ethical Analysis of Disinformation Tactics: Reckless Disregard, Focus On Unknowns, Specious Claims, Front Groups. http://j.mp/ysuXtB

27 Feb, 2012

1124

Ethical Analysis of the Climate Change Disinformation Campaign: Introduction to A Series. http://j.mp/zZXagm

27 Feb, 2012

1123

http://lnkd.in/d4BEjB Well, the biggest hazard is making blind choices based on your theory, whatever it is, rather than choosing to be...

27 Feb, 2012

1122

http://lnkd.in/XHGNXm One of the troubles with innovation for finding new solutions for ones that have stopped working is how that...

26 Feb, 2012

1121

http://lnkd.in/D8dqdW Why people see growth as a magical process, as if only depending on blessings of some god or a sacred manifest or...

22 Feb, 2012

 

End of long series of Tweeted principles for observing and responding to systems of nature

 

1211

lnkd.in/D8dqdW Why people see growth as a magical process, as if only depending on blessings of some god or a sacred manifest or...

22 Feb 2012

 

1210

and... so, I think *that seems to solve everything*!

21 Feb 2012

1209

@Ethical_Corp @CapInstitute @postgrowth @shareabledesign The message is.. unethical profits multiply unethical influence, and we're silent.

21 Feb 2012

1208

We"aid" the banks, no message attached, who just use it to take ever more, multiplying our risks and their influence again. The message is?

21 Feb 2012

1207

@postgrowth @shareabledesign Ever wonder why profitable unethical behavior gains ever growing influence, and that of self-restraint doesn't?
 In reply to PostGrowth Institute

21 Feb 2012

1206

@postgrowth @beyondGreenUK Some day we'll find, prospering by taking control of ever more of everything else, is what others are doing too.
 In reply to PostGrowth Institute

20 Feb 2012

1205

lnkd.in/p_d9Am From reading the methodology it seems Tweets were linked by referring to links with the NY Times. That's possibly...

20 Feb 2012

1204

lnkd.in/vyTBX5 That graphic is great, and will help popularize this approach. It was originated by Barabasi, who I'm sure gets...

20 Feb 2012

1203

When investors just skim profits to multiply good bets, they're not investing in anything, but picking the pockets of a compliant world.

20 Feb 2012

1202

True investors don't take the world's profits to multiply their own, but spend their returns to support, not tax, what they care about.

20 Feb 2012

1201

It's confusing at first but then helps, how all "rules of life" and "laws of science" are made local, to the system of nature they're in.

20 Feb 2012

1200

Building things up is a solution till you get to where they fall over, when reality becomes as unstable as our information often is anyway.

20 Feb 2012

1199

@donmacca If it's not a lack of hard work, but increasing resistance from the earth, it's the greedy needing "Om" to find peace another way.
 In reply to Donnie Maclurcan

20 Feb 2012

1198

It's NOT a lack of hard work, by anyone. It's *increasing resistance* from the earth. More hard work doesn't solve, just makes worse.

20 Feb 2012

1197

So, is that how this works, everyone gets to live their own fantasy life while our world dies? Society is clearly fiddling while Rome burns.

19 Feb 2012

1196

What America truly wants is "Clean horsepower, that burns up the road". Is that scale of detachment the scale of loss ahead, 80% or so??

19 Feb 2012

1195

If we don't use our creativity to reinvent the idea of profit, it's as certain as gravity that what we've been building won't survive.

19 Feb 2012

1194

What nature actually likes is not our social values, but a growing process of building things that turns to preserving what was built.

19 Feb 2012

1193

That investor choice, to preserve the whole rather than enrich themselves, actually ends up being more profitable, why nature likes it.

19 Feb 2012

1192

Where growth doesn't end in tragedy it's using profit to look for growing profit that turns to preserving the whole, an investor choice.

19 Feb 2012

1191

On any planet, for any species, searching for profit that multiplies profit brings wealth to all with a high risk of impoverishing all.

19 Feb 2012

1190

@ecomagination The best way to waste good ideas is to multiply them till your environment fails. - mankind's most ancient misconception -
 In reply to ecomagination

19 Feb 2012

1189

@giyom Of course, growth to a tragic end isn't from all bets remaining positive, but people finding positive bets to multiply till all fail.
 In reply to Guillaume Lebleu

19 Feb 2012

1188

Exactly how we bet on the earth being infinite is investing for ever growing profits, a formula for cancers that ends in killing their host.

18 Feb 2012

1187

@Revkin The one tsunami the #AAASmtg doesn't explore, though, is our own ever growing wave of investment in the earth being infinite.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

18 Feb 2012

1186

@giyom What seems to break any trusted currency is giving people what they want, a guarantee of sure bets so their savings can multiply.
 In reply to Guillaume Lebleu

18 Feb 2012

1185

@thinkprogress Yes, stimulus worked again to restore our growing depletion of the earth, a 10,000 year track record of great success!! ;-)
 In reply to ThinkProgress

18 Feb 2012

1184

It's harder to find out what it is that allows our whole society to so peacefully sleep through our exhaustion of the earth.

18 Feb 2012

1183

Tragic, but it's being "innovative" that has us sustaining our increasing rate of resource depletion, thinking we're creating resources...

18 Feb 2012

1182

@nelderini @postcarbon What's new on "peak everything" is why the economy hits it as a whole, with internal conflict.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…
 In reply to Chris Nelder

18 Feb 2012

1181

The Greeks made mistakes but are being screwed, too. All lose bigger if bond holders don't spend their profits instead of taking ever more.

18 Feb 2012

1180

@thinkprogress Why investors were taxed less than labor was that multiplying investment in consuming the planet once seemed very productive.
 In reply to ThinkProgress

18 Feb 2012

1179

What to do if you just don't want to support the "plant your seed to multiply seed till our host dies" lifestyle, we use for prosperity?

18 Feb 2012

1178

@thetakeaway Why is it the Catholic church saying it can impose it's religious law, as if Sharia, on its employees? Are they confused?

17 Feb 2012

1177

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Yes, exactly. The motive for "big money" is how profit taking to take more is itself becoming unprofitable.
 In reply to Helene Finidori

17 Feb 2012

1176

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Most investors confuse it as taking profits from one thing, to then take ever more from something else...!

17 Feb 2012

1175

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To be viable, everything needs to make a profit, but not to multiply, and so stress any environment.

17 Feb 2012

1174

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To correct the scaling errors of capitalism, profits aren't used to grow profits, if the earth is stressed.

17 Feb 2012

1173

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute .. I think to "scale it up" as you want, you'd add to it what corrects the scaling errors of capitalism.

17 Feb 2012

1172

@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute The rub is "how can this be scaled?" is what capitalism solves, with ever scaling benefits now the problem.
 In reply to Helene Finidori

17 Feb 2012

1171

Isn't it odd, how "the thing in our heads" creates a whole world of its own, not seeing the inside of ANYTHING else on earth to do it? :-)

17 Feb 2012

1170

@Revkin Our thinking STILL counts "no direct evidence" as "no evidence", though clear untraced effects are ENORMOUS.synapse9.com/SEA
 In reply to Andy Revkin

17 Feb 2012

1169

@InvasiveNotes ...And the "invasive species" to watch is "us". SO struck by the realities we observe, caring ONLY about our beliefs.
 In reply to John Peter Thompson

17 Feb 2012

1168

Anyone can see our mental reality isn't nature's, but telling how when we act on our thinking but BUT DON'T EVEN WATCH NATURE'S, is SO hard!

17 Feb 2012

1167

We seek SUCH valid dreams with SUCH invalid methods, SEEING reality but, but then CONFUSING it with magical ideas in our heads, WHEN ACTING.

17 Feb 2012

1166

So much good to do, harm to correct, friendship and learning to enjoy, but we consume everything useful on earth ever faster, to serve it???

17 Feb 2012

1165

Isn't it strange?? China is furiously trying to "CATCH UP" by rapidly building out a whole economy of quite outmoded high energy technology!

16 Feb 2012

1164

It *seems* that natural systems created by their own growth have no internal design or behavior, but *it's only quite hidden* from our view,

16 Feb 2012

1163

A GLIMMER OF HOPE when even big scientific journals start to talk about reality; how changing the earth changes us.ourfiniteworld.com/2012/02/12/thr…

16 Feb 2012

1162

What goes wrong when growth ends before its limits ?synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

16 Feb 2012

1161

Words let you say *such big things*, knowing nothing about them. The older and larger language of life is in "doing", 99.9% lost to words.

16 Feb 2012

1160

Gender is also one of those subjects important to an information society, about which there is still much more to "do than say" reality.

16 Feb 2012

1159

Part of how self-managing systems work inside, is to respond naturally as their plan for growth becomes unmanageable, to stop following it.

15 Feb 2012

1158

How the design we chose for our economy is like a cancer is in it's design to grow as fast as possible till it kills its host, and itself.

15 Feb 2012

1157

Having essentially no information on how the self-managing systems of nature work, we inadvertently designed our economy like a cancer.

15 Feb 2012

1156

The real error is thinking our information tells us how the world works, *entirely missing* how self-managing systems are organized inside.

15 Feb 2012

1155

My having SO much fun finding the errors letting us destroy the earth, doesn't make up for the isolation of having to watch it happen.

15 Feb 2012

1154

Could technology be an ever entertaining game of learning about the planet instead of like now, an ever entertaining game of burning it up?

15 Feb 2012

1153

@Revkin The "reality math" of #KXL CO2 reveals one of many, all showing outsourced energy impacts ~x4 what's measured.synapse9.com/SEA
 In reply to Andy Revkin

14 Feb 2012

1152

lnkd.in/s6QEVF Well, it presses the credulity of intellectuals more than informal thinkers. There's a very interesting property...

14 Feb 2012

1151

@Ethical_Corp It's a BIG ethical challenge is resist addressing traceable harms and neglect growing ones that aren't.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…
 In reply to Ethical Corporation

14 Feb 2012

1150

lnkd.in/EdfiBB Would you like a real discussion of how and why our economies became designed for a different kind of planet than...

14 Feb 2012

1149

@Revkin If nature listened to our values, we'd have a different world. There's no way she can speed things up for us to slow them down tho.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

13 Feb 2012

1148

@Revkin Maybe my problem is most everyone speaks as if nature is a social phenomenon, as if "nature is listening" and all we need is belief.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

13 Feb 2012

1147

@Revkin You don't see the "green faith" in speeding up the economy to slow its growing impacts as "lost opportunity"?synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl…
 In reply to Andy Revkin

13 Feb 2012

1146

@ClimateReality Check the 4x "reality math" for facts. True CO2 footprints need all the outsourced fuel uses too.synapse9.com/signals
 In reply to Climate Reality

13 Feb 2012

1145

Expecting growth in a shrinking world makes sense only to the senseless. It asks nature, "Oh could we please have ever growing conflict?"

13 Feb 2012

1144

@johnmsmart Found 2008 blog post, of letter to you with no address - Multilevel selection in evolution – Devo-evo?synapse9.com/signals/2008/1…

13 Feb 2012

1143

All it causes... is *missing so much* of what's happening, saving the earth then positively accelerates our failures.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

13 Feb 2012

1142

"Who would care" if there was a perfectly practical way to do it, from observing natural successions, and that theory is all in our heads.

13 Feb 2012

1141

Just not studying how real processes emerge seems *so much simpler*. Our mental models are too simplistic and missing most of the data too!

13 Feb 2012

1140

"Scientists unconcerned" by real systems too hidden to record and too evolving to model "Sure we see them, but just study theory instead"

13 Feb 2012

1139

One proof is in how OUR systems work, guided by self-interest, misled into destroying the earth, believing nature follows our theories.

12 Feb 2012

1138

SO MUCH IS HIDDEN inside systems that work by themselves, it's unscientific to treat nature as working by our theories.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

12 Feb 2012

1137

@InvasiveNotes @CBSNews Well... in that odd sense, that terrorism is really intended as "people power" and we usually don't like the people.
 In reply to John Peter Thompson

12 Feb 2012

1136

The "reality math" says the ONLY way these big financial bailouts actually work, is for bond holders to then SPEND their restored profits.

12 Feb 2012

1135

But if all around you are people who believe the world is a creation of their own consciousness, don't you have to just agree with them?

12 Feb 2012

1134

With every business needing ever growing shares of the earth, I guess we now all agree, the ultimate good &evil are one and the same thing.

12 Feb 2012

1133

@newscientist Ohi! The blame game goes in circles. Why the Earth Summit is doomed is because of us, expecting gov & biz to stabilize growth.

11 Feb 2012

1132

@Revkin Yea, why did we not design more secure software? Is it not possible, or just not imaginable for whole nations to be so dishonest!
 In reply to Andy Revkin

11 Feb 2012

1131

Still confused. Why does "religious freedom" relieve religious employers of the need to protect the religious freedom of their employees?

11 Feb 2012

1130

Isn't it odd, our world choice of ever bigger and more complex solutions for still faster growing problems as our path to peace & security?

11 Feb 2012

1129

Even today, 2012, a hundred years late, almost no one sees why the earth wouldn't as infinite as ideas, with our options visibly vanishing.

11 Feb 2012

1128

@Revkin - The rub.. is productivity has been exhausting resources faster than new productivity creates them, driving a loss of opportunity.

11 Feb 2012

1127

@Revkin Well, Andy, You sound so ignorant to dismiss both #KXLand why nature dismisses politics; our ever growing need for using things up.
 In reply to Andy Revkin

11 Feb 2012

1126

@AAASMeetings Could “reality math” help the AAAS?? #AAASmtgsynapse9.com/signals/2012/0…

11 Feb 2012

1125

Why does "reality math" matter?? People see their information as their reality. This math corrects our misinformation on the impacts of $'s.

11 Feb 2012

1124

@InvasiveNotes Do you count the "reality math", of ~8000btu/$ ??synapse9.com/SEA
 In reply to John Peter Thompson

11 Feb 2012

1123

The "reality math" is: "Average" impacts per $ is far more accurate than "0". synapse9.com/SEA So unreported impacts get counted.

11 Feb 2012

1122

The "reality math" is embarrassing, OK, like exposing the Maldives' growing a high carbon economy, but WHAT deserves the embarrassment here?

11 Feb 2012

1121

Avoiding "reality math", REALLY doesn't promote sustainability. All money has much closer to average impacts than zero.synapse9.com/SEA

11 Feb 2012

1120

"Finding reality" takes two ways to explain things 1) for a reality in our minds we invent and 2) another for things nature invents, not us.

10 Feb 2012

1119

Piling up money till it collapses is piling up the future we're building till it collapses too. If "just numbers", it wouldn't collapse.

10 Feb 2012

1118

We could back off a bit, to see "piling up our dreams till they collapse" as "piling up our dreams till they collapse". It's only reality.

10 Feb 2012

1117

The solutions for saving the environment have given us multiplying problems to address, somehow. Is it our dodging the real questions?

10 Feb 2012

1116

A great thing about sacred beliefs, is how unquestionable they become. Would doubting our beliefs then, give us much more reliable ones??

10 Feb 2012

1115

so are we distracted from seeing "piling up stuff till it collapses" as "piling up stuff till it collapses", by "thinking with no thinking"?

9 Feb 2012

1114

@Adbusters Well, the violence of choice is "language violence", so enthralling even those you're attacking can't stop passing it around.
 In reply to Adbusters Magazine

9 Feb 2012

1113

lnkd.in/h8cs9b Yes I'd generally agree, though one's choice of pejoratives is generally a kind of personal thing. Our two "main...

9 Feb 2012

1112

You can see a fragility of birth in "the wilting of the Arab Spring", not following freedom with a period of calm, for making things work.

9 Feb 2012

1111

The fragility of birth, to cut all ties with your prior source of life, while still weak, is very dangerous, and even more dangerous not to.

9 Feb 2012

1110

Our growth guidance system, as a feeble shoot, still defines using up its seed resource faster as more profitable than putting down roots.

9 Feb 2012

1109

A seedling is most vulnerable as a feeble shoot, at its limits of growth using the seed's fossil fuel, before it has taken root. Us too.

9 Feb 2012

1108

lnkd.in/EAVA7h Clif, Well, the first thing seems for "mankind to see what game it's playing", before it can tell how we’re playing...

8 Feb 2012

1107

#enoughwhat A benefit of recognizing your own limits is the freedom and security you get from not losing control of events that matter more.

8 Feb 2012

1106

#enoughwhat Enough with thinking money has no impacts, though it's plain we use it to request physical services, and we just don't see how!